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  • Thanks for the link Jeff. I think the $ 39.5 billion number was the gross take of Haliburton for its "services" during the Iraq war. And a lot of that was under contracts signed during the Clinton Administration. I have spent some time reading about Cheney before today, trying to get a handle on this level of hatred. When two posters here are arguing who was the first to call for killing Cheney, I consider that actual hatred.

    As nearly as I can tell, the upper limit of money that Cheney received Haliburton was $ 34 Million, not $ 39.5 Billion. That is according to Chris Matthews. A lot of this comes from a thoroughly debunked Kerry ad in the 2004 election.

    But the bigger point is that staffing an administration will always come down to a choice between hiring private-sector folks or public-sector folks. It is a choice between guys like Cheney or Tillerson and folks like Kerry or Donna Shalala. (Military leaders are a separate category since they are actually public sector employees who choose to do their job out of patriotism, and not for money).

    In light of the 3 lawsuits against Trump that have been filed for violation of the Emoluments Clause, I think a reasonable person has to ask "did these contractual relations exist prior to the executive in question entering the political sphere?" From what I read, Comey would have been entitled to the $ 34 million whether or not he was elected the VP in 2000. Similarly, Trump Hotel in Washington would have spun off money to the Trump Organization if Donald had lost the election. I understand this "but for..." reasoning has logical flaws, but was Cheney's election and his alleged position on the Iraq War the reason for him getting the $ 34 m (and I'm sure you understand that number is in dispute)? I'd say, in large part, it was not. BTW, most of Cheney's income was from selling his stock options, and not from actual stock in Halliburton.

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    • Cheney quit Haliburton before taking office and received a generous severance package including stock options. At some point in 2004 or 2005 or something, he exercised the last of those options and donated the proceeds to charity. If you want to make a case against Cheney, there's more than enough actual facts to work with.

      In any event, the $39.5B stuff is the demonstrably false rantings of unhinged progs like the Daily Kos.
      Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
      Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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      • incorrect.

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        • Originally posted by crashcourse View Post
          what I said

          "the people in entertainment and news are doing their best to feed the frenzy that led to yesterday"

          I didn't know 2 signs in a cornfield qualified as entertainment.

          I watched cnn and msnbc from 8-10 cst for few minutes here and there and they had guest after gues after guest after panel mesmerized on the breaking story--moeller investigates trump for obstruction of justice

          the funny part of it is was in the first place when moeller was appointed was to investigate obstruction and coercion?
          wasn't it prompted by comeys paranoia/preference to get one appointed for for just this reason?

          now all of a sudden 2 networks dominate another 2 hours on the same thing that has been talked about for the last 5 months


          BREAKING NEWS TRUMP BEING INVESTIGATED FOR OBSTRUCTIONB AND COERCION BY THE 11TH DIFFENT INVESTIGATION!@!!!!!!!!
          lets have a panel of experts and talk about it for an hour. meanwhile a congressman is close to bleeding to death requiring numerous blood transfusions still not entirely control bleeding even after surgery- because somebody maybe influenced by griffin or snoop or Julius Caesar play--attempted to take fantasy and make it reality

          but meanwhile

          BREAKING NEWS---- THERE IS A POSSIBILITY TRUMP DID SOMETHING AND WE CAN INVESTIGATE IT!!!!!!!!!
          ...now you know what its like to look at FOX, from the other side.

          Maybe there's something to be learned by everybody in these examples.

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          • #incorrect.

            People need to get with the program...we're trying to push oracle over the edge here folks.

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            • Originally posted by crashcourse View Post
              what I said

              "the people in entertainment and news are doing their best to feed the frenzy that led to yesterday"

              I didn't know 2 signs in a cornfield qualified as entertainment.

              I watched cnn and msnbc from 8-10 cst for few minutes here and there and they had guest after gues after guest after panel mesmerized on the breaking story--moeller investigates trump for obstruction of justice

              the funny part of it is was in the first place when moeller was appointed was to investigate obstruction and coercion?
              wasn't it prompted by comeys paranoia/preference to get one appointed for for just this reason?

              now all of a sudden 2 networks dominate another 2 hours on the same thing that has been talked about for the last 5 months


              BREAKING NEWS TRUMP BEING INVESTIGATED FOR OBSTRUCTIONB AND COERCION BY THE 11TH DIFFENT INVESTIGATION!@!!!!!!!!
              lets have a panel of experts and talk about it for an hour. meanwhile a congressman is close to bleeding to death requiring numerous blood transfusions still not entirely control bleeding even after surgery- because somebody maybe influenced by griffin or snoop or Julius Caesar play--attempted to take fantasy and make it reality

              but meanwhile

              BREAKING NEWS---- THERE IS A POSSIBILITY TRUMP DID SOMETHING AND WE CAN INVESTIGATE IT!!!!!!!!!
              I agree, the news channels should ignore the bombshell news about a sitting President being under investigation. #sounfair

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              • Or, to be fair, incomplete. But what's above is sufficient to prove the allegation. Whether he gave a portion to charity or not has no bearing. He started a war and profited from that.

                Finding ways to excuse or mitigate that is, at best, a curious choice for a supposedly process-oriented person.

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                • I'm of the opinion that it's sometimes useful to correct blatant lies. It can be a full-time job around here given the bomb-throwing. So, I let most go. The $39.5B whopper I would have let go, too. I mean...LOL. But, I felt obliged after Geezer raised the issue.

                  This must be one of my "poorly worded" or "difficult to understand" statements:

                  If you want to make a case against Cheney, there's more than enough actual facts to work with.
                  Really have to work on my writing. Either that or laugh at those who can't read or, worse, want to deliberately lie about and/or slander you. The ends always justify the means. Prog Rule #1.
                  Last edited by iam416; June 15th, 2017, 04:42 PM.
                  Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
                  Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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                  • Politics Rule #1.

                    Though I know it's fashionable for Cons to believe deceit and lies didn't exist until Saul Alinsky invented them in the 60's.

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                    • Laugh away. I'm of the opinion that when someone says "you're wrong but I'm not gonna exlpain why" on the Internet, as you have to me multiple times, usually that person is all bark/no bite. I don't think you are exactly that, but sometimes you geniunely are. So I don't care what you think of me. You're you. You should improve your behavior here, however. Your conduct is terrible.

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                      • When someone throw bombs and blatant lies, they shouldn't be shocked when someone takes them task. Try to own your mistake and don't snowflake up...."waaa, he's bring so mean to me for, ummm, pointing out my lie. You're so mean and terrible!" LOL.

                        Bomb throw then snowflake up. Quintessential Prog.
                        Last edited by iam416; June 15th, 2017, 05:31 PM.
                        Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
                        Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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                        • You should improve your behavior here. This community has suffered significantly and is much smaller because of you, and you show no appreciation at all for the people that backed you after your impassioned plea to return. Someone disagreeing with you is not a reason to have a tantrum. Asking for clarification is not horrible thing to have to do. Responding to a request for clarification isn't either. Grow up.

                          I'm here any time you want to back your bullshit on statutory law or whatever the hell else it is you think I know nothing of. I'm here to agree or disagree like gentlemen. If you can do that, we can discuss things. If you cannot, your can have your one-sided tantrum. Call me all the names you want to.

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                          • LOL. Thats now multiple posts attacking me personally and I get accused of name-calling. LOL. Fortunately I take no offense. I will continue to shred dishonest posts and blatant lies. If someone wants to assert that Winston Churchill was POTUS, I'll take them to task. Whether they own the lie or snowflake up is on them.

                            I personally and very sincerely don't care if I ever have another discussion with hack again. I really can't over-emphasize the very sincerely part of that statement.

                            39.5B. LMAO.
                            Last edited by iam416; June 15th, 2017, 05:47 PM.
                            Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
                            Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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                            • Talent,
                              Any comment on your position that there can be no case to be made for obstruction, now that Robert Mueller has decided there is sufficient evidence to investigate?
                              To be a professional means that you don't die. - Takeru "the Tsunami" Kobayashi

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                              • SLF:

                                I don't think that was my position. I think my position was based on the facts known I didn't see an obstruction case. I believe I asked you to take the facts known and put them into the criminal code and make the case. I remain remarkably open to that argument if you should elect to make it. My position isn't immutable.

                                As for Mueller, if he unearths facts that show that DJT obstructed justice under 18 USC 1501 et al, then good for him. I'm skeptical that he will.
                                Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
                                Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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