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  • Right, well, I mean the markets are about the one thing he can definitely point to as good, thus far.
    Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
    Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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    • Ive heard the reason trump wants this obamacare issue settled is to free up enough money for his tax plan. you know the kind of issues that affect working americans instead of what the 10,000 or so extremists are up to along with the 24/7 media exposure they get.

      Yes. Unfund Obamacare and then you have enough revenue to cut the corporate income tax rate as low at 20%. Without that, it's 26% to 27%, from what I have seen. You should look into what the various tax plans do for people as opposed to what they do for corporations.

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      • BTW, probably already been pointed out but those "Blacks For Trump" guys who routinely get seated behind Trump at rallies? They're nutjobs



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        • Originally posted by iam416 View Post
          Right, well, I mean the markets are about the one thing he can definitely point to as good, thus far.
          They've been anticipating a major tax cut. If it doesn't happen this year because Trump wants to hold out for Wall funding...

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          • Trump bitching again this morning that the Senate MUST do away with the filibuster. Every time he does so, Mitch McConnell kills a kitten.

            He keeps repeating that the Dems would do it...ignoring that the Dems didn't do it even to get Obamacare passed.

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            • Now that they can't get at the Obamacare money, even a tax cut that sunsets in 10 years will be much smaller if at all. (As distinct from real tax reform, which is much more difficult, which is why they often go for the ten-year cut instead, like Bush did.)

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              • Mitch will end up working against Trump more effectively than any democrat. While he may look like a turtle, he's a crafty survivor of a politician who knows how to feign support and tear him down behind the scene.
                "The problem with quotes on the Internet is that it is sometimes hard to verify their authenticity." -Abraham Lincoln

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                • But saying it in front of one of his staged mobs is different than doing it, granted.
                  The mob was outside, not inside.

                  But as we know, the great threat of our time is PROG THOUGHT!!!! so we must never relent with the anecdotes and expansive interpretation.
                  Yes. It is so 1950-ish to wonder why a public employee sends a little girl home from kindergarten crying because she does not want to turn into a boy. Hey, you can't get them too early.

                  Actually, I recommend the book The Other also. Do any of you fellows remember the boys "hating" the girls and vise versa during early elementary? Remember boys playing with boys and girls playing with girls? I suppose you progs believe this was just indoctrination by parents, but I believe a large part of it relates to the "other", and gender is one of the first distinguishing traits a 3-5 year-old sees. So I suppose you progs believe that the teacher who sent kids home confused (at best), was right and the kids' misery was caused by the parents not having thoroughly briefed their 5-year-olds on transgender theory. When do you think the kindergarteners should have been told about the transgendered? 5th grade? I'd say, let the parents make the call. But if you progs do that, we end up with a bunch of high school seniors who figure transgender behavior is aberrant, which, of course, it is.

                  And when you progs mock anecdotes, you might remember that only 3/1,000 (up from .1% in 2016) of the population is transgendered. You guys act as if which bathroom they can use is a major national issue. 1950s or 2000s people don't think that is a problem.

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                  • interesting take by dershowitz

                    http://www.thedailybeast.com/how-alan-dershowitz-went-from-hillary-donor-to-trumps-attack-dog-on-russia

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                    • So...a govt shutdown over a wall that we were never supposed to pay for. Excellent!

                      You couldn't sell this as fiction.

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                      • He keeps repeating that the Dems would do it...ignoring that the Dems didn't do it even to get Obamacare passed.
                        And you keep forgetting that they did so under reconciliation, and not by overcoming a filibuster. That would be after those Neanderthals in Massachusetts sent a Republican to the Senate to try to stop the imposition of socialized medicine. The use of reconciliation by both parties is now just a de facto get-out-of-jail-free card that can be used once per fiscal year to get around a filibuster.
                        Last edited by Da Geezer; August 23, 2017, 10:01 AM.

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                        • The ACA was not passed under reconciliation. Get your facts straight, the House passed the Senate version of the bill that passed 60-39 on 12-24-2009. The house passed the same bill 219-212 on 3-21-2010.

                          Any reconciliation bills were used for funding after the original ACA passed, but it's a lie to claim the ACA was passed via reconciliation.

                          DSL is totally correct on the fact that the Democrats not doing away with the filibuster. If they had done that, the public option would have been passed as Lieberman held the process hostage.

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                          • Originally posted by Da Geezer View Post
                            And you keep forgetting that they did so under reconciliation, and not by overcoming a filibuster. That would be after those Neanderthals in Massachusetts sent a Republican to the Senate to try to stop the imposition of socialized medicine. The use of reconciliation by both parties is now just a de facto get-out-of-jail-free card that can be used once per fiscal year to get around a filibuster.
                            See Froot's response. Also this



                            Regardless, Trump didn't have the votes to even pass a repeal through reconciliation, so bitching about the filibuster is pointless.

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                            • His endless complaining about it kind of misses the point about the GOP, the filibuster and any repeal. The filibuster, and the 3 GOP senators have served as a shield against that repeal. A lot of those yes votes were very soft yes votes that were dependent on knowing that some of the moderates would tank the vote. The twist at the end was that it was McCain providing the cover, but it's easy to envision Portman, Heller or Capito doing it.

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                              • Dr. frootlove

                                heres the problem with Obama care and why something needs to happen this year



                                obviously decreasing immigrants would do it also

                                Even though it was not intended, an unavoidable consequence of Obamacare is that it has increased by as much as $650 million the amount of state and local taxes that can be devoted to health care of illegal immigrants.

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