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  • Originally posted by iam416 View Post
    No fucking way on parents. No. That IS CHAIN MIGRATION. Just say you're entirely for Chain Migration and save the dance.

    If someone brings can bring their parents, then the parents can bring their children, including "adult children" who may be married -- their spouses can bring their parents -- and then those parents....well, it's a chain.

    Just fucking no.
    Well then fine. I guess I'm for chain migration. More limited than what we have now but broader than just spouses and minor children.

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    • Originally posted by hack View Post
      How can I get there, Wiz?
      Watch...and learn...my son...
      Shut the fuck up Donny!

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      • Originally posted by iam416 View Post
        Either you're for skills-based immigration or you're not. If you're not then Chain Immigration and Lottery shit is as good as any way to hand out the golden tickets.
        If an Indian is granted a visa on the "high skills" path, they're going be allowed to bring in their (minor) children and spouse. Like I said, I think I'd also allow parents and grown children (no grandparents or siblings or extended family). But maybe create a new type of visa/naturalization category where anyone brought in under 'chain migration' cannot sponsor anyone else. Maybe that's not feasible.

        Talent I know you're aware of this but some of the cons might not be...not a whole lot of Europeans, particular highly skilledl ones, are terribly interested in migrating to the USA. Neither are the Japanese. Many spots reserved for these countries go unfilled year after year.

        Dunno if anyone's familiar with VISA bulletins but here's the current one. Basically what happens in chain migration...let's say you live in China and your brother left for the US and is now a US citizen. That process probably took him around a decade after first entering the US (it's not quick). He can now sponsor you to come over too. However, because China is a high volume country, there's a huge backlog. On Page 2 of the bulletin you see priority dates for certain high volume countries. (China, Mexico, Philippines, etc.). When the Chinese brother goes to the US consulate in Shanghai and says "My brother is a US citizen. I want to move to the US permanently too" he will be given a priority date of the month he filed at the consulate. Let's say January 2018. He will not be allowed to actually apply until his priority date is current in the VISA bulletin.

        Being a sibling of an US naturalized citizen currently classifies you as F4 status, which is pretty much the lowest of the family-based categories. Note that in this month's bulletin, the current priority date for Mainland China is June 2004. Because there are so many people trying to (legally) enter the US from China, it's likely that someone filing today will have to wait 13-14 years before he can even submit an application. Heck, the line for Mexican siblings is 20+ years. The line for Mexican adult unmarried children is also 20+ years.

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        • Originally posted by froot loops View Post
          The Beer Store sucks in Ontario, it's kind of funny because it is the same as Strange Brew but it isn't funny when you are paying 30 dollars for a case of swill.
          SO TRUE. Our swill genre is significantly better than yours, though our craftbrew market is far worse. That's our two countries though. Many things at the extremes in one, everything crowded into a mediocre middle in the other.

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          • Originally posted by THE_WIZARD_ View Post
            I believe it's just the Olympic basketball team...and the Toronto Raptors roster...


            LOL!

            And that's in Toronto, the rest of the country? Homogeneous (uhoh, don't use that word in Canada, they beatup homos)


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            Atlanta, GA

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              • DSL:

                If we’re not for skills-based then so be it. My biggest point re you was that parents ARE Chain Migration. There may be sensible ways to restrict it, but I doubt it.
                Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
                Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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                • Originally posted by Dr. Strangelove View Post
                  ...... Dunno if anyone's familiar with VISA bulletins but here's the current one........
                  Good stuff. The question of who gets to immigrate to the US and in what numbers cannot be answered by taking the position "just fuck no to chain immigration." That position ignores the complexities of the current law as it applies to this.

                  Sure, I think the concept of chain migration needs to be tightened up. I would be willing to bet if it was, it would dissuade a good deal of the immigrants who now want to immigrate to the US to not do so. That would help decrease the numbers of low skilled immigrants leaving high volume countries because life sucks there. My advise to them: Stay with your families and work within structures inside and outside your country to do so to improve your human rights, your economy and your educational future.

                  I'd also be in favor of a pool that you join where once you've checked all the boxes to immigrate, you can't come until you are offered a job. I'd revise the entire law on Permanent Alien Residence (the Green Card process). This gets worked, immigrants get abused and I have some knowledge of how and why this happens.
                  There is such a thing as redemption. Jim Harbaugh is redeemed at the expense of a fading Ryan Day and OSU. M wins back to back games v. OSU first time since 1999-2000​ - John Cooper was fired in 2000!!!

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                  • Don't think it was mentioned yet but the RNC has its own Harvey Weinstein scandal going on and they're staying very quiet about it. The original Wall Street Journal story has dozens of women making allegations across decades. Fox News has at least put out a statement that they will no longer book Wynn for their shows.

                    Billionaire casino mogul Steve Wynn preyed on female employees for decades — forcing sex on a manicurist and pressuring a masseuse to pleasure him, a new report says. The Las Vegas icon&#8217…

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                    • The surveillance state expands.

                      The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency landed a contract that will give agents access to billions of license plate records across the country.
                      “Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.” - Groucho Marx

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                      • [ame]https://youtu.be/ZfeHWDvjkiE[/ame]

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                          “Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.” - Groucho Marx

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                          • Anti-Putin demonstrations erupt in Russia.

                            Kapture1 and Geezer immediately fly to Moscow in support of Trump's beleaguered mentor and patron.


                            Russian police arrest opposition leader Alexei Navalny’s office Sunday during nationwide anti-Kremlin protests.


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                            “Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.” - Groucho Marx

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                              • The fact that criminal got a standing ovation from the Grammy crowd...pretty much sums up how incredibly stupid the Grammy crowd actually is...
                                Shut the fuck up Donny!

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