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  • Originally posted by Hannibal View Post

    https://www.carbonbrief.org/mapped-w...l-power-plants

    Lots of orange and pink in Asia. Not nearly as much in the rest of the industrialized world. If China has any plans to go "green" then they certainly aren't following through on them yet.

    And they won't. They would be stupid to do so, as would we. Ditto for migrating away from the internal combustion engine.
    Personally, I'm excited by electric airplanes. What a tiny carbon footprint! And no criticism when I fly to Davos!

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    • Kwamee wannabe turns down plea agreement for 10 years, stands trial, gets 17 years. Good.


      Former Clinton Township Trustee Dean Reynolds was sentenced to 17 years in prison for accepting bribes in a widespread federal corruption probe.
      “Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.” - Groucho Marx

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      • A little foreshadowing.....

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        • Originally posted by Hannibal View Post

          https://www.carbonbrief.org/mapped-w...l-power-plants

          Lots of orange and pink in Asia. Not nearly as much in the rest of the industrialized world. If China has any plans to go "green" then they certainly aren't following through on them yet.

          And they won't. They would be stupid to do so, as would we. Ditto for migrating away from the internal combustion engine.
          India, China and Indonesia = about a third of the world's population, and all have coal. Energy use is a fraction of what it is here, and rising fast. So you are right. That's where the problem is. Fastest and simplest very well could be the carbon tax that our private-sector leaders want. I don't agree that China won't follow through on plans to go green -- they have and are. Is documented. Are they serious enough about it? Dunno. That's very questionable. But, again, the US very well may be able to control it if Baker, Schultz et all are correct. And in a rising proportion of the country solar or wind are cheaper than fossil fuels or nuclear, and that includes battery storage to account for the sun not always shining and the wind not always blowing. Which is probably why you have private industry asking for a carbon tax. Dunno. Is a fast-evolving situation.

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          • Originally posted by hack View Post
            I don't agree that China won't follow through on plans to go green -- they have and are. Is documented.
            Concerns over CO2 emissions as development restarts at hundreds of coal-fired power stations in China.


            The research, carried out by green campaigners CoalSwarm, suggests that 259 gigawatts of new capacity are under development in China.

            The authors say this is the same capacity to produce electricity as the entire US coal fleet.

            The study says government attempts to cancel many plants have failed.

            According to this study, there was a surge in new coal projects approved at provincial level in China between 2014 and 2016. This happened because of a decentralisation programme that shifted authority over coal plant construction approvals to local authorities.

            The report says that at present China has 993 gigawatts of coal power capacity, but the approved new plants would increase this by 25%.

            China's central government has tried to rein in this boom by issuing suspension orders for more than 100 power plants but this analysis suggests that these efforts have been significantly less effective than previous news reports had indicated.

            In this study, the researchers used satellite photos to examine every power plant that was subject to a suspension order. They found construction ongoing at many locations.

            For instance, in September last year, China's National Energy Administration ordered a group of plants - that together could produce 57 gigwatts of electricity - to slow down construction. The organisation also prohibited them from connecting to the grid in 2017.

            However the satellite data suggests that half of this capacity appears not to have slowed down at all.

            "This new evidence that China's central government hasn't been able to stop the runaway coal-fired power plant building is alarming - the planet can't tolerate another US-sized block of plants to be built," said Ted Nace, from CoalSwarm.

            "It's not too late for the central government to fix the problem, but they have to start cancelling projects, not just rescheduling them."

            If this extra capacity was operational, it would make it much more difficult for the world to limit CO2.

            According to the International Energy Agency (IEA), for the world to limit warming to below 1.75C above pre-industrial conditions, China would have to close all its power plants that don't have carbon capture and storage facilities within 30 years.

            "Avoiding dangerous climate change requires essentially phasing out coal plants globally by 2045," said Christine Shearer, lead author of the report. "China needs to begin planning for the aggressive retirement of its existing coal fleet, not building hundreds of new coal plants."

            However, some researchers believe that the building of these plants has more to do with boosting the local economy in China than with boosting emissions.

            "Coal power plants run only about half the time in China, and one could argue the new capacity is not needed," said Glen Peters, from the Centre for International Climate Research in Oslo, who was not involved with the report.

            "The new coal power plant builds are most probably about keeping the economy ticking along, particularly from a provincial government perspective, rather than being needed for future electricity generation."
            Take a moment to digest that. China currently has an entire United States worth of coal-fired power plants being built.

            it's almost as if China isn't dumb enough to wreck their economy for the sake of being "green". Or at least not for the sake of reducing their carbon footprint, but rather for cleaner air around major cities, which can be achieved without sacrificing economic growth.
            Last edited by Hannibal; February 6, 2019, 06:45 PM.

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            • Pictures in a 1979 UNC Yearbook. The Fraternity is Chi Phi.

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              • They need to ban the fraternity nationwide. Has to be done.
                Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
                Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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                • Originally posted by iam416 View Post
                  They need to ban the fraternity nationwide. Has to be done.
                  I'm okay to owning up to it being really shitty behavior. And not just implying that anyone offended by the image is childish or whiny or needs to shut up with their divisive idenity politics.

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                  • Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
                    Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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                    • Heh. Well, I'm partl, angry because I bought a really shitty Mexican beer (Red Agave IPA wtf was I thinking) and cursing life as I try to force it down my gullett.

                      Anyways, you can tell people who are offended by blackface to "grow the fuck up!" and I'll continue telling people who see nothing wrong with blackface and parade themselves as the TRUE victims to "Grow the fuck up!" and maybe we'll balance each other out.
                      Last edited by Dr. Strangelove; February 6, 2019, 08:07 PM.

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                      • Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
                        Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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                        • Inside the disastrous FoxConn-Wisconsin deal and how it will likely never produce anywhere close to the number of jobs FoxConn, Scott Walker, and Trump promised

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                          A report from the Wisconsin Legislative Fiscal Bureau

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                          • That was a disaster.
                            Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
                            Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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                            • Talent- Another Columbus brewery potentially close to closing its doors. This time because the owner is a perv and likely sex offender (and this apparently was an open secret in the industry for years).

                              That said, I never liked much of anything I had from Actual and won't miss em

                              https://www.columbusalive.com/news/2...sexual-assault

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                              • I never sampled their malted beverages.
                                Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
                                Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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