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  • Bill Mallory died yesterday after complications from a fall. Won 2 MAC titles (at two different schools) and one Big 8 title at Colorado. Also gave Indiana its best era in modern history. Mallory had ties to a bunch of great coaches: played for Ara Parseghian, and was an assistant under Doyt Perry, Carmen Cozza (at Yale), and Woody Hayes before becoming a head coach for over 25 years



    http://www.espn.com/college-football...leader-dies-82

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    • I regret doing it, but I read the ESPN piece on Maryland. I wonder how many other programs you could write roughly the same thing about? 60? 70? The examples of a “toxic” culture strike me mostly as a football culture, which I guess is rife with “toxic masculinity.”
      Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
      Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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      • I thought the same thing. I badly missed a blocking assignment in practice twice in a row. Some ridiculous Backside 5 Technique. I had just been named "All Parish" (a Parish is a Louisiana county). Coach put a piece of tape on my helmet that read "All Parish Dumbass". Had to wear it all week in practice. I am not saying such things are great, but (1) I wasn't a buttercup, and (2) I never-ever missed that assignment again.
        Last edited by AlabamAlum; August 11th, 2018, 10:45 AM.
        "The problem with quotes on the Internet is that it is sometimes hard to verify their authenticity." -Abraham Lincoln

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        • Yeah, I mean even accounting for changes over the past half century, none of what I read seemed ridiculous . Weight room and conditioning workouts could get really brutal with lots of yelling and challenging of manhood and shit. And that was for HS football. Whatever. The world is changing and football culture is quickly becoming unacceptable.
          Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
          Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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          • The idea that D1 football players are going to get treated with kid gloves is just so....crazy. Oh well, ESPN has its story. Really sucks for Maryland. But, upside is that it’s just Maryland so it may disappear quickly—but god knows that since it’s an ESPN story they’ll push it for all its worth including, surely, a companion OTL Sunday morning piece.
            Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
            Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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            • Exactly.

              Remember film day? Where they went over the game film? Fuck up on film and they would rewind and replay that shit 8 or 10 times belly laughing at your ass. Not sure we can do that anymore without having to provide a quiet space and a puppy to avoid triggering these players.
              "The problem with quotes on the Internet is that it is sometimes hard to verify their authenticity." -Abraham Lincoln

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              • Oh yeah. Our HC was mellow. Various position coaches were not so much. “Rewind that shit! What the fuck are doing? Are you afraid to hit someone?....” Relentless. All the while making notes for Monday practice.
                Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
                Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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                • Oh, and going back to "All-Parish Dumbass" thing. We carried our gear home with us. It was just easier and it allowed us to get it to mom who could wash up everything (if the team manager washed it, you'd end up wearing some other guy's pants and jock. No bueno).

                  Anyway, dad saw the tape on my helmet. He asked about it and I told him. Did he (1) contact the local media (2) file a complaint with the school board or (3) laugh his ass off?

                  (hint: (1) and (2) are not the correct answers)
                  "The problem with quotes on the Internet is that it is sometimes hard to verify their authenticity." -Abraham Lincoln

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                  • The Marine Corps has done a very good job of quelling press reports over the years that recruits are routinely terrorized in boot camp. Sure, there's a difference between football and war fighting and maybe the press actually realizes this but the USMC has had recruits die. I can tell you that after that headline hit the wires ten or so years ago, there were changes and the press was lead around by the nose to seem them. The changes lasted about 6 months then back to terrorizing ensued. It's good for them ...... assuming you want to train soldiers to kill people.

                    Anyway, it sickens me that the everybody's a winner mentality has pervaded youth sports. That shit never happens in real life. The best part of getting demeaned because you fucked up or loosing a big game because you gave up then running stadium steps for practice next week until you puke is that it teaches life and the value of getting back up to do better next time after you fail.These lessons are being lost on the kids of parents or the adults that run a youth sports program when you adopt a mentality like this.
                    On Harbaugh's expectations for M football in 2015 (NFL NETWORK): We'd rather be about it than talk about it."

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                    • Originally posted by iam416 View Post
                      The idea that D1 football players are going to get treated with kid gloves is just so....crazy. Oh well, ESPN has its story. Really sucks for Maryland. But, upside is that it’s just Maryland so it may disappear quickly—but god knows that since it’s an ESPN story they’ll push it for all its worth including, surely, a companion OTL Sunday morning piece.
                      They let a player die. You get that, right? Nah, of course not...

                      Maybe it wouldn’t “suck” for Maryland if they didn’t have irresponsible assholes running their football team. There was reportedly an hour gap between the moment he started showing symptoms and the time 911 was called, and in the meantime there was no realistic attempt made to help him.

                      As someone that’s experienced heat stroke firsthand, fuck off. Durkin and his entire strength and conditioning staff involved should never be allowed to work in D1 football ever again. I’m not even sure this isn’t a criminal case.

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                      • ........and we know what you state here are the facts?

                        I can only suppose in the Maryland case but the steps that are taken to protect athletes from injury due to the heat are significant. The real "complaint" in the ESPN piece is that there is a so called "toxic environment" with the football program at Maryland with players getting shouted at and humiliated. No one hear is saying that it's fine for players to die in football practice. That's another matter entirely and you can rest assured that Maryland officials will investigate the how and why of the players death and appropriate steps will be taken.

                        At least for me, that's the glass have full view I'm taking on that matter. With regard to "being nice" to football players during practice, I don't think that sort of thing is necessary at all for the reasons I've already posted.
                        On Harbaugh's expectations for M football in 2015 (NFL NETWORK): We'd rather be about it than talk about it."

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                        • Kstat:

                          Go fuck yourself. With the utmost sincerity. LMMFAO @ criminal charges. You get that, don’t you?

                          JB:

                          Exactly re difference between Korey Stringer-esque tragedy and “toxic” environment/football environment. It’s not a particularly difficult distinction to grasp for anyone willing to think.

                          IMO, ESPN capitalized on a tragedy to write about a “toxic” culture that you could probably write about a dozens of other schools. But, “football” culture is very much on the outs these days.
                          Last edited by iam416; August 11th, 2018, 12:21 PM.
                          Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
                          Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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                          • Originally posted by Jeff Buchanan View Post
                            ........and we know what you state here are the facts?

                            I can only suppose in the Maryland case but the steps that are taken to protect athletes from injury due to the heat are significant. The real "complaint" in the ESPN piece is that there is a so called "toxic environment" with the football program at Maryland with players getting shouted at and humiliated. No one hear is saying that it's fine for players to die in football practice. That's another matter entirely and you can rest assured that Maryland officials will investigate the how and why of the players death and appropriate steps will be taken.

                            At least for me, that's the glass have full view I'm taking on that matter. With regard to "being nice" to football players during practice, I don't think that sort of thing is necessary at all for the reasons I've already posted.
                            “Our reading of the medical records and the 911 call Maryland made to the EMT to come to the field reveal that 45 minutes into the practice, he had convulsions and a seizure on the field,” Murphy said, “and the 911 call reflects emergency personnel noted McNair had experienced a seizure.”

                            A 911 call recording obtained by ESPN shows that at 5:58 p.m., an unidentified man described McNair as “hyperventilating after exercising and unable to control his breath.”
                            he started having symptoms around 5pm and 911 was called around 6. In the meantime they attempted the usual ignorant barbaric forms of motivation, because that what asshole football coaches do instead of actually pondering that their player might actually have a serious medical issue.

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                            • Originally posted by iam416 View Post
                              Kstat:

                              Go fuck yourself. With the utmost sincerity. LMMFAO @ criminal charges. You get that, don’t you?

                              JB:

                              Exactly re difference between Korey Stringer-esque tragedy and “toxic” environment/football environment. It’s not a particularly difficult distinction to grasp for anyone willing to think.

                              IMO, ESPN capitalized on a tragedy to write about a “toxic” culture that you could probably write about a dozens of other schools. But, “football” culture is very much on the outs these days.
                              A kid dies and this clown refuses to address the actual incident at hand. Yeah, I’m secure in who I am. You can obviously live with your mentality as well.

                              looking forward to seeing Durkin banned from football and whatever coach tried to puppeteer a dying teenager instead of helping him led off campus in handcuffs. You can look forward to raging every time ESPN attacks your apparently very fragile sense of masculinity. I really don’t give a shit what ESPN thinks but apparently you really do...
                              Last edited by Kstat; August 11th, 2018, 12:28 PM.

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                              • ::::grabs popcorn...this is getting good::::
                                Shut the fuck up Donny!

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