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Michigan @ Michigan, 1:15p, BTN, 3h Delay (Spring Game)

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  • Michigan @ Michigan, 1:15p, BTN, 3h Delay (Spring Game)

    There's a good breakdown of the key things to watch at mgoblog that makes for good Saturday morning coffee and reading.

    For me it's the JOK v. Brandon Peters contest, Mason Cole not getting trucked by Rashan Gary, JBB being serviceable against Don Brown testing him and is DPJ looking like a starter at WR.

    Also ..... is Kaleke Hudson even 80% of Peppers?

    On Harbaugh's expectations for M football in 2015 (NFL NETWORK): We'd rather be about it than talk about it."

  • #2
    I'm excited to see a bigger Chase Winovich and how he looks at DE opposite Gary.
    Gary and Peters in year 2 too. Should be fun.
    Go Detroit Lions!


    • #3
      I'll watch at 3pm, listen on radio at 1pm.


      • #4
        Speight still can't get rid of the freaking ball. My god. Plz Jim just go with Peters


        • #5
          Speight was lucky not to have 2 INTs in this game. I think it was Hudson that dropped an INT.
          Looks like any improvement in the offseason is marginal, if anything, for Speight.
          Not too excited about him.

          Whereas Peters... he'll make some mistakes due to inexperience, but I love his ceiling.

          EDIT: lucky not to have 3 INTs. I should have finished the game lol
          Last edited by Cody_Russell; April 15th, 2017, 04:00 PM.
          Go Detroit Lions!


          • #6
            [ame=""]Jordan Glasgow Interception Touchdown for Maize Team - Michigan Spring Football - YouTube[/ame]


            • #7
              I still haven't seen the complete game but .....

              For me it's the JOK v. Brandon Peters contest ...... Peters with a wide lead over JOK and ....... Wilton Speight. Wilton reportedly looked bad and not at all improved from 2106. Saving grace: he played against Brown's 1s but still.

              Modern day defenses - and by this I mean the kinds of defenses being fielded at the college level in the last 3-5 years - look a lot like 4-2-5s. The backers are fast and agile between the sidelines and you've got speed rushers up front like Gary and Hurst with big meat at DT as run stoppers; follow that with instinctive Vipers, or whatever you want to call the Peppers, now K. Hudson types, and QBs without legs are toast. That's Speight.

              Speight is going to be fine against the bottom half of the BT where he's got time to set and and throw. He's going to be easy prey for the top D's both in the BT and outside of it.

              Mason Cole not getting trucked by Rashan Gary ...... from what I saw in clips and reading posts at mgoblog is that Gary beat up on JBB. Cole held his own but I'm not sure agasint who. Owenwu did not garner a lot of praise. OL, as expected, a work in progress.

              JBB being serviceable against Don Brown testing him ..... JBB had limited snaps from what I can tell and Runyan was at his MAC level best at RT.

              and is DPJ looking like a starter at WR....... from what I saw and read, Tarik Black is the man. Way early but the WR position looks solid.

              Caveat ..... spring game.
              On Harbaugh's expectations for M football in 2015 (NFL NETWORK): We'd rather be about it than talk about it."


              • #8
                Players I was impressed by: Khaleke Hudson, Brandon Peters, Tarik Black, Devin Bush (though easy to look good on A-gap blitzes when no one is blocking)

                Players who mostly sucked: Nate Johnson, Wilton Speight.

                It's time for JH to stop saying Wiliton's in the lead ... time to start seriously grooming Peters to take over next year.


                • #9
                  I feel like the Michigan coaches got a lot of answers (at least as many as they could have hoped for) after this Spring game.

                  I really think it has to be Peters at QB ... time to pull the plug on Speight.
                  Khalid Hill looks even better at FB after dropping the weight.
                  RB has to be by rotation. I think Evans and Higdon are a wash at #1, Isaacs is a good change of pace, and I think Walker is still on the outside looking in.

                  Tarik Black looks to be the real deal at WR. I would pencil him and DPG as starters. Crawford and McDoom may be fighting for the slot. The older guys: Ways, Harris, and Perry (if he can even get past the legal stuff) are probably pushed aside. Oliver Martin may be forced to redshirt with this type of depth.

                  TW should be the starter at TE. Gentry and/or Eubanks in on 2 TE sets.

                  For the OL -- only the RT position is unsettled.
                  Center - Kugler
                  RG - Onwenu
                  RT -- JBB --- but hoping Filiaga comes in and proves to be a monster. Otherwise we'll need at TE on JBB's side every time

                  On D --- I think the starters are set, but still muddy on the back-up's -- esp on the D-line rotation.

                  D-Line: Gary, Hurst, Mone, Winovich
                  SAM: McCray
                  MLB: Bush
                  Viper: Hudson
                  Safeties: Kinnel, Metellus
                  CB: Long, Hill

                  This is going to be an athletic and solid team --- our ceiling will depend on whether JH goes all in Peters now, or tries to got the well again with Speight --- I'm hoping for the former.


                  • #10
                    Speight has just about reached his ceiling. He looked the same, which is to say very shaky. We definitely need to get a dual-threat QB.
                    I'll let you ban hate speech when you let me define hate speech.


                    • #11
                      Quinn Nordin has a lot of power as a kicker too. 60 yard potential one day...
                      For some reason, I thought Nordin attempted a kick in the Wisconsin game last season... but that was some guy named Ryan Tice.
                      Go Detroit Lions!


                      • #12
                        I watched most of the game streamed on the BTN.

                        I'd like a play by play on this and I lost count, but Speight seemed to face an unblocked free rusher a lot more than Peters did. Was that on purpose? i.e., was Brown holding back for Peters and letting Speight work on dealing with a speed rush?

                        Two points: (1) Speight made some bad throws under pressure (a continuing problem). (2) This may be the best DL in the nation. The back side isn't bad either. I saw more contested throws than easy ones with Speight in there and facing the 1s on D.

                        The Double A gap blitz is tough on QBs ....... and offensive lines. Against the blitz the OL did poorly and there was zero pick-ups of those blitzes by RBs (some of that was formation or RPS). If you watch Brady or Big Ben run plays out of the shortgun (pistol as the case may be), their OLs are virtually impenetrable and if there's a RB back there they'll consistently pick up free blitzers.

                        Peters has a beautiful throwing motion. I didn't think his release was super quick but its probably 1.5 - 2 seconds quicker that Speight's. He's a classic drop back QB but has a lot of mobility - I think somebody pointed out a while back that he ran a good deal out of a RO offense in HS.

                        Seight had one really nice long ball to Black that was tipped by Washington coming over from out of nowhere to put three defenders on Black. Without that tip by Washington, Black high points it for a spectacular catch and were talking about Speight's improved long ball. It was right where it was supposed to be - nice arc, just outside Black's outside shoulder and had he been open and not perfectly covered under and over, it would have been in stride and gone for a TD.

                        I counted two Read Option plays both of them went for 10+ yards. I can't remember who carried. But it was zone blocking and done really well. The RO plays are all Frey.
                        It wasn't Isaac running the ball but he had two really nice runs. The long TD run was a power inside run with Bredenson pulling from his LG position and leading the way.

                        The bread and butter pass play in Harbaughffense remains several plays to the TEs who were blindingly open when they were made. I think the McDoom reverse should be eliminated from the play book. That play is getting so routinely hammered it's not worth a wasted down.

                        In a word, if the starters remain the starters on D and stay healthy, there will be no drop off on M's D from 2016. I like what I think Brown is doing with K Hudson. He just plays the Viper role from the same myriad positions Brown had Peppers playing it. What Hudson isn't doing is lining up as a weak side or strong side LB. Peppers did that.
                        On Harbaugh's expectations for M football in 2015 (NFL NETWORK): We'd rather be about it than talk about it."


                        • #13
                          I lost track of the number of plays where a QB got pressured by an unblocked LB who came screaming in like a cruise missile where I immediately thought to myself "A dual threat QB probably dodges that guy and scrambles for a first down." Instead, our QBs often chucked it into coverage. That's the disadvantage that we are in at least until McCaffrey is up to speed.

                          Not surprised to see no progress from Speight. He is a MAC caliber talent who has gotten great coaching and is now at his hard ceiling. I have a lot of appreciation for the intangibles that he brings to the table but we're not going to prosper with a "game manager" this year. With our shaky OL this would be a great year to have a quick and athletic guy who can dodge traffic.
                          Last edited by Hannibal; April 17th, 2017, 12:03 PM.


                          • #14
                            Did you guys win? Or did the fuckin' refs screw you again...
                            Shut the fuck up Donny!


                            • #15
                              We had pop Warner referees yet they officiated the game better than that game we played in the Alamo Bowl.