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Old December 28th, 2017, 01:58 PM   #1601
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I'm not sure that connecting the dots and concluding JH fired him because he wasn't doing a good job a bit of a stretch.

The only thing I saw was a comment that JH made after the osu loss that M has to get stronger. I don't see how one can conclude from that statement that Harbaugh is shaking up his staff and fired Tolbert.

My guess is that Tolbert is just moving on. Nothing to see here; only the sports press trying to make something out of nothing.
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Old December 28th, 2017, 02:16 PM   #1602
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M has to get stronger. I don't see how one can conclude from that statement that Harbaugh is shaking up his staff and fired Tolbert
I don't know how you could conclude anything else from that statement and Tolbert's subsequent departure.
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Old December 28th, 2017, 03:44 PM   #1603
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Tolbert had a better offer from Saline High School.
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Old December 30th, 2017, 05:07 PM   #1604
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In today's news, Ja'Raymond Hall is now a Chippewa. There were rumors he'd not be on the team in 2018. What's weird (or maybe not) is that he practiced for the bowl game. Maybe he saw the writing on the wall.

What's disturbing is that he's a Harbaugh instate recruit and a 3* OT. Per mgoblog, he lost a lot of weight when he entered the S&C program and I wonder if there's a nexus between Tolbert leaving and Hall transferring. Just adds to Hanni's position on this if there is a nexus.

In any event, this is one more loss on the OL. I hope he was really not good rather than good but not good enough for HARBAUGH!!

This was mentioned but only in a YouTube video. Here's some more meat on the new S&C coach, Ben Herbert. Looks to me like a decent hire.

Herbert was at Wisconsin for S&C coach for 11 years, the last four of which as the head S&C guy, before leaving with Bret Bielema to go to Arkansas four years ago. That didn't work out quite as well as Herbert might have hoped, but Arkansas did have some consistently enormous offensive lines, just like Wisconsin did before him. Herbert's time at UW is probably more instructive since the Badgers aren't operating at a severe talent deficit to most of their opponents, and picking someone up from the program that makes the most out of the least recruiting in the Big Ten, and possibly the nation, seems like a good plan.
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Old December 30th, 2017, 06:20 PM   #1605
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He was passed at OT by about 3 in his own recruiting class... Way too early to pass judgement or give up but he was well behind Hudson & Steuber and behind Filliaga, Honigford too.
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Old January 1st, 2018, 08:04 PM   #1606
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9 TD passes on the year. Per Baumgartner, that's the lowest since '75. This year only four programs had less than 10 TD passes: Michigan, Minnesota, Illinois and Rutgers.

That's uglier than ugly. Speight took a step back. O'Korn went nowhere. Peters the same. Pep Hamilton?
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Old January 1st, 2018, 09:15 PM   #1607
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Michigan is 9-8 in their last 17 games. Let that sink in. Why was Hoke run out of town so quickly for doing essentially the same as Harbaugh. Yeah. I know, the name,
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Old January 1st, 2018, 09:23 PM   #1608
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Harbaugh had success at Stanford and in the NFL.
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Old January 1st, 2018, 10:44 PM   #1609
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Harbaugh had success at Stanford and in the NFL.
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Old January 1st, 2018, 11:04 PM   #1610
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Facts are facts. Harbaugh earned his name, whereas Hoke was hired by Dave Brandon.
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Old January 2nd, 2018, 02:59 AM   #1611
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In not making any excuses for Hoke I have no love for him but they are both cut from the same jib. Both Michigan men who believe on physical power football. Old school stuff. Harbaugh did well in college, yes but it's not like he won any Championships. He had a once in a career qb in Luck to see him through. That also was over 7 years ago. Maybe not seemingly a lot but the way college football has evolved the last decade it could be 20 years ago.

What's sad is I don't see UM winning any more than 8 games next season with a tough schedule.

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Old January 2nd, 2018, 09:29 AM   #1612
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That's about right. It is going to take a miraculous turnaround on offense to be better than 7-5 next year. No one could watch this team and think differently. At least I hope no one can. I hope Harbaugh sees and realizes it, and cleans house on offense and revamps it. But I'm probably hoping for too much.
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Old January 2nd, 2018, 10:17 AM   #1613
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He's not going to change the offense. He's going to recruit and develop Wisconsin-type players to run it.
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Old January 2nd, 2018, 12:53 PM   #1614
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We'll see if Harbaugh is serious about improvement if he reduces Jay's role to the guy who picks up the tee after kickoffs.
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Old January 2nd, 2018, 01:44 PM   #1615
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Greg Frey in Tallahassee today. Lining up to be OC under Taggert.
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Old January 2nd, 2018, 01:51 PM   #1616
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Yep. We're stuck with Drevno. Frey's a better recruiter, too.

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