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  • Originally posted by SeattleLionsFan View Post
    One thing I think we can all agree on. Shitty management has nothing to do with it.
    Ha! I lose. I figured Froot would show up first.

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    • Not sure if this is true, but I heard that the Hostess execs were all given raises during the bankruptcy. I heard the raises totaled up to around 60 million.

      If this is true, then there needs to be an investigation.

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      • Workers said the concessions being demanded by Hostess were just too great. Mike Hummell, a receiving clerk and a member of the Bakers' union working in Lenexa, Kan., said he was making about $48,000 in 2005 before the company's first trip through bankruptcy. Concessions during that reorganization cut his pay to $34,000 last year, earning $16.12 an hour. He said the latest contract demands would have cut his pay to about $25,000, with significantly higher out-of-pocket expenses for insurance.
        Benny Blades~"If you break down this team man for man, we have talent to compare with any team."

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        • Oh well. Should have worked harder in school so you don't end up working at a bakery.

          Receiving clerks make about $10/hr because that's what the job is worth in CA
          Last edited by Panoptes; November 19, 2012, 09:43 AM.
          19.1119, NO LONGER WAITING

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          • I wish I knew the UPS and FEDEX addresses that serve your house. :-) You would never get a package again. :-)
            Benny Blades~"If you break down this team man for man, we have talent to compare with any team."

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            • Heard taht Hector Macho Camacho has been shot and is in grave condition.....

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              • He's going to make it, but its in very bad shape. I posted it here http://www.detroitlionsforum.com/for...postcount=6072

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                • not so much

                  Hector 'Macho' Camacho brain dead
                  Updated: November 22, 2012, 1:07 PM ET
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                  Hector Camacho Shot In Puerto Rico

                  Hector Camacho is on life support after being shot Tuesday.
                  Tags: Hector Camacho
                  SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico -- Famed Puerto Rican boxer Hector "Macho" Camacho is clinically brain dead, doctors said Thursday, though they said family members were disagreeing on whether to take him off life support.

                  Dr. Ernesto Torres said doctors have finished performing all medical tests on Camacho, who was shot in the face Tuesday night.

                  "We have done everything we could," said Torres, who is the director of the Centro Medico trauma center in San Juan. "We have to tell the people of Puerto Rico and the entire world that Macho Camacho has died, he is brain dead."

                  He said at a news conference that the family expects to say by Friday if Camacho should remain on life support.

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                  Timothy A. Clary/AFP/Getty Images
                  A longtime friend and ex-manager of Hector "Macho" Camacho said his mother was wavering on taking her son off life support and would like more time with him.
                  Torres said Camacho's father has already indicated that he wants the boxer taken off life support and his organs donated, but one of his sisters opposes the idea.

                  "This is a very difficult moment," he said.

                  Ismael Leandry, a longtime friend and former manager, told reporters that Camacho's mother also is wavering on taking her son off life support and would like more time with him. He said the family is waiting for Camacho's oldest son to arrive Thursday night before having a family reunion and making a decision.

                  "Let's remember him as a good man," Leandry said. "He was a good father, a good son."

                  Steve Tannenbaum, a friend and a former boxing agent for Camacho, said in a phone interview that he idolized Camacho as a boxer.

                  "He is one of the greatest small fighters that I have ever seen," he said. "Hector Camacho had a legendary status."

                  Tannenbaum said he initially believed Camacho would survive.

                  "He was almost like the indestructible man," he said. "He had so many troubles with the law, so many altercations in his life. It's a great shame."

                  The 50-year-old Camacho was shot as he and a friend sat in a Ford Mustang parked outside a bar Tuesday night. Police spokesman Alex Diaz said officers found nine small bags of cocaine in the friend's pocket, and a 10th bag open inside the car. Camacho's friend, identified as 49-year-old Adrian Mojica Moreno, was killed in the attack.

                  Doctors had initially said Camacho was expected to survive, but his condition worsened and his heart stopped briefly overnight Tuesday, Torres said. The bullet entered his jaw and lodged in his shoulder after tearing through three of four main arteries in his neck, affecting blood flow through his brain, doctors said.

                  "That lack of oxygen greatly damaged Macho Camacho's brain," Torres said.

                  Torres had said late Wednesday that Camacho was still showing irregular and intermittent brain activity.

                  Camacho was born in Bayamon, a city within the San Juan metropolitan area, but he grew up mostly in New York's Harlem neighborhood, earning the nickname "the Harlem Heckler."

                  He won super lightweight, lightweight and junior welterweight world titles in the 1980s and fought high-profile bouts against Felix Trinidad, Julio Cesar Chavez and Sugar Ray Leonard. Camacho knocked out Leonard in 1997, ending the former champ's final comeback attempt.

                  Camacho has a career record of 79-6-3.

                  In recent years, he divided his time between Puerto Rico and Florida, appearing regularly on Spanish-language television as well as on a reality show called "Es Macho Time!" on YouTube. In San Juan, he had been living in the beach community of Isla Verde, where he would readily pose for photos with tourists who recognized him on the street, said former pro boxer Victor "Luvi" Callejas, a neighbor and friend.

                  Camacho battled drugs, alcohol and other problems throughout his life. He was sentenced in 2007 to seven years in prison for the burglary of a computer store in Mississippi. While arresting him on the burglary charge in January 2005, police also found the drug ecstasy.

                  A judge eventually suspended all but one year of the sentence and gave Camacho probation. He wound up serving two weeks in jail, though, after violating that probation.

                  His wife also filed domestic abuse complaints against him twice before their divorce several years ago.
                  Benny Blades~"If you break down this team man for man, we have talent to compare with any team."

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                  • not so much

                    Hector 'Macho' Camacho brain dead
                    Updated: November 22, 2012, 1:07 PM ET
                    Associated Press


                    Hector Camacho Shot In Puerto Rico


                    SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico -- Famed Puerto Rican boxer Hector "Macho" Camacho is clinically brain dead, doctors said Thursday, though they said family members were disagreeing on whether to take him off life support.

                    Dr. Ernesto Torres said doctors have finished performing all medical tests on Camacho, who was shot in the face Tuesday night.

                    "We have done everything we could," said Torres, who is the director of the Centro Medico trauma center in San Juan. "We have to tell the people of Puerto Rico and the entire world that Macho Camacho has died, he is brain dead."

                    He said at a news conference that the family expects to say by Friday if Camacho should remain on life support.

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                    Timothy A. Clary/AFP/Getty Images
                    A longtime friend and ex-manager of Hector "Macho" Camacho said his mother was wavering on taking her son off life support and would like more time with him.
                    Torres said Camacho's father has already indicated that he wants the boxer taken off life support and his organs donated, but one of his sisters opposes the idea.

                    "This is a very difficult moment," he said.

                    Ismael Leandry, a longtime friend and former manager, told reporters that Camacho's mother also is wavering on taking her son off life support and would like more time with him. He said the family is waiting for Camacho's oldest son to arrive Thursday night before having a family reunion and making a decision.

                    "Let's remember him as a good man," Leandry said. "He was a good father, a good son."

                    Steve Tannenbaum, a friend and a former boxing agent for Camacho, said in a phone interview that he idolized Camacho as a boxer.

                    "He is one of the greatest small fighters that I have ever seen," he said. "Hector Camacho had a legendary status."

                    Tannenbaum said he initially believed Camacho would survive.

                    "He was almost like the indestructible man," he said. "He had so many troubles with the law, so many altercations in his life. It's a great shame."

                    The 50-year-old Camacho was shot as he and a friend sat in a Ford Mustang parked outside a bar Tuesday night. Police spokesman Alex Diaz said officers found nine small bags of cocaine in the friend's pocket, and a 10th bag open inside the car. Camacho's friend, identified as 49-year-old Adrian Mojica Moreno, was killed in the attack.

                    Doctors had initially said Camacho was expected to survive, but his condition worsened and his heart stopped briefly overnight Tuesday, Torres said. The bullet entered his jaw and lodged in his shoulder after tearing through three of four main arteries in his neck, affecting blood flow through his brain, doctors said.

                    "That lack of oxygen greatly damaged Macho Camacho's brain," Torres said.

                    Torres had said late Wednesday that Camacho was still showing irregular and intermittent brain activity.

                    Camacho was born in Bayamon, a city within the San Juan metropolitan area, but he grew up mostly in New York's Harlem neighborhood, earning the nickname "the Harlem Heckler."

                    He won super lightweight, lightweight and junior welterweight world titles in the 1980s and fought high-profile bouts against Felix Trinidad, Julio Cesar Chavez and Sugar Ray Leonard. Camacho knocked out Leonard in 1997, ending the former champ's final comeback attempt.

                    Camacho has a career record of 79-6-3.

                    In recent years, he divided his time between Puerto Rico and Florida, appearing regularly on Spanish-language television as well as on a reality show called "Es Macho Time!" on YouTube. In San Juan, he had been living in the beach community of Isla Verde, where he would readily pose for photos with tourists who recognized him on the street, said former pro boxer Victor "Luvi" Callejas, a neighbor and friend.

                    Camacho battled drugs, alcohol and other problems throughout his life. He was sentenced in 2007 to seven years in prison for the burglary of a computer store in Mississippi. While arresting him on the burglary charge in January 2005, police also found the drug ecstasy.

                    A judge eventually suspended all but one year of the sentence and gave Camacho probation. He wound up serving two weeks in jail, though, after violating that probation.

                    His wife also filed domestic abuse complaints against him twice before their divorce several years ago.
                    Benny Blades~"If you break down this team man for man, we have talent to compare with any team."

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                    • Larry Hagman (with Linda Gray at his bedside). RIP.

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                      • I liked him best in I Dream of Jeannie RIP

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                        • That is sad news.

                          RIP J.R.
                          "I'm having much more fun in my 70s in the 20s than I did in my 20s in the 70s.”

                          Joe Walsh - Murrayfield Stadium, Edinburgh 22nd June 2022

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                          • Originally posted by WingsFan View Post
                            I liked him best in I Dream of Jeannie RIP
                            He was kind of a prick because he always disowned the show. He never had anything to do with it afterword(reunions, etc)

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                            • He obviously didn't rub Barbara Eden the right way....
                              Benny Blades~"If you break down this team man for man, we have talent to compare with any team."

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                              • Hector 'Macho' Camacho dies at 50


                                Updated: November 24, 2012, 2:46 PM ET
                                Associated Press



                                Hector Camacho Dies At 50

                                Hector "Macho" Camacho was removed from life support and declared dead on Saturday, four days after being shot in the face. He was 50 years old.Tags: Boxing, Jeremy Schaap, Hector Camacho


                                SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico -- Hector "Macho" Camacho was a brash fighter with a mean jab and an aggressive style, launching himself furiously against some of the biggest names in boxing. And his bad-boy persona was not entirely an act, with a history of legal scrapes that began in his teens and continued throughout his life.
                                The man who once starred at the pinnacle of boxing, winning several world titles, died Saturday after being ambushed in a parking lot back in the Puerto Rican town of Bayamon where he was born. Packets of cocaine were found were found in the car in which he was shot.
                                Camacho, 50, left behind a reputation for flamboyance -- leading fans in cheers of "It's Macho time!" before fights -- and for fearsome skills as one of the top fighters of his generation.
                                [+] EnlargeHolly Stein/Getty ImagesHector Camacho, trading blows with Eric Podolak in 1993, fought some of the biggest stars spanning two eras, including Sugar Ray Leonard, Felix Trinidad, Oscar De La Hoya and Roberto Duran.


                                "He excited boxing fans around the world with his inimitable style," promoter Don King told The Associated Press.
                                Camacho fought professionally for three decades, from his humble debut against David Brown at New York's Felt Forum in 1980 to an equally forgettable swansong against Saul Duran in Kissimmee, Florida, in 2010.
                                In between, he fought some of the biggest stars spanning two eras, including Sugar Ray Leonard, Felix Trinidad, Oscar De La Hoya and Roberto Duran.
                                "Hector was a fighter who brought a lot of excitement to boxing," said Ed Brophy, executive director of International the Boxing Hall of Fame. "He was a good champion. Roberto Duran is kind of in a class of his own, but Hector surely was an exciting fighter that gave his all to the sport."
                                Camacho's family moved to New York when he was young and he grew up in Spanish Harlem, which at the time was rife with crime. Camacho landed in jail as a teenager before turning to boxing, which for many kids in his neighborhood provided an outlet for their aggression.
                                "This is something I've done all my life, you know?" Camacho told The Associated Press after a workout in 2010. "A couple years back, when I was doing it, I was still enjoying it. The competition, to see myself perform. I know I'm at the age that some people can't do this no more."
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                                Former featherweight champion Juan Laporte, a friend since childhood, described Camacho as "like a little brother who was always getting into trouble," but otherwise combined a friendly nature with a powerful jab.
                                "He's a good human being, a good hearted person," Laporte said as he waited with other friends and members of the boxer's family outside the hospital in San Juan after the shooting. "A lot of people think of him as a cocky person but that was his motto ... Inside he was just a kid looking for something."
                                Laporte lamented that Camacho never found a mentor to guide him outside the boxing ring.
                                "The people around him didn't have the guts or strength to lead him in the right direction," Laporte said. "There was no one strong enough to put a hand on his shoulder and tell him how to do it."
                                George Lozada, a longtime friend from New York who flew to Puerto Rico on Saturday, recalled that just hours after he was released from prison after serving a murder sentence, he received a call from Camacho, who was waiting outside his apartment in a black Porsche.
                                "He said, 'Come down, I'm taking you shopping,' " Lozada said, wiping away tears.
                                "Because of him, man, I got what I got today," he said, pointing to pictures on his smartphone of his 6-year-old daughter. "Because of Hector, I stopped the drug scene ... He's helped so many people."
                                “ Because of him, man, I got what I got today. Because of Hector, I stopped the drug scene ... He's helped so many people.
                                ” -- Longtime friend George Lozada
                                Drug, alcohol and other problems trailed Camacho himself after the prime of his boxing career. He was sentenced in 2007 to seven years in prison for the burglary of a computer store in Mississippi. While arresting him on the burglary charge in January 2005, police also found the drug ecstasy.
                                A judge eventually suspended all but one year of the sentence and gave Camacho probation. He wound up serving two weeks in jail, though, after violating that probation.
                                Camacho's former wife, Amy, obtained a restraining order against him in 1998, alleging he threatened her and one of their children. The couple, who had two children at the time, later divorced.
                                He divided his time between Puerto Rico and Florida in recent years, appearing on Spanish-language television as well as on a reality show called "Es Macho Time!" on YouTube.
                                Inside the boxing ring, Camacho flourished. He won three Golden Gloves titles as an amateur, and after turning pro, he quickly became a contender with an all-action style reminiscent of other Puerto Rican fighters.
                                Long promoted by King, Camacho won his first world title by beating Rafael Limon in a super-featherweight bout in Puerto Rico on Aug. 7, 1983. He moved up in weight two years later to capture a lightweight title by defeating Jose Luis Ramirez, and successfully defended the belt against fellow countryman Edwin Rosario.
                                The Rosario fight, in which the victorious Camacho still took a savage beating, persuaded him to scale back his ultra-aggressive style in favor of a more cerebral, defensive approach.
                                The change in style was a big reason that Camacho, at the time 38-0, lost a close split decision to Greg Haugen at Caesar's Palace in Las Vegas in 1991.
                                Camacho won the rematch to set up his signature fight against Mexico's Julio Cesar Chavez, this time at the Thomas & Mack Center in Las Vegas. Camacho was roundly criticized for his lack of action, and the Mexican champion won a lopsided unanimous decision to retain the lightweight title.
                                "Even though people say I beat him easily, it wasn't that way," Chavez told Mexico's ESPN-Radio Formula this week. "He was a very fast fighter, he faced everything and it was very hard for me."
                                "He revolutionized boxing," Chavez said. "It's a shame he got mixed up in so many problems."
                                After that loss, Camacho became the name opponent for other rising contenders, rather than the headliner fighting for his own glory.
                                He lost a unanimous decision to another young Puerto Rican fighter, Trinidad, and was soundly defeated by De La Hoya. In 1997, Camacho ended Leonard's final comeback with a fifth-round knockout. It was Camacho's last big victory even though he boxed for another decade.
                                The fighter's last title bout came in 1997 against welterweight champion Oscar De La Hoya, who won by unanimous decision. Camacho's last fight was his defeat by Saul Duran in May 2010. He had a career record of 79-6-3.
                                Doctors pronounced Camacho dead on Saturday after he was removed from life support at his family's direction. He never regained consciousness after at least at least one gunman crept up to the car in a darkened parking lot and opened fire.
                                No arrests have been made, and authorities have not revealed many details beyond the facts that police found cocaine in the car and that the boxer and his friend, who was killed at the scene, had no idea the attack was coming. "Apparently, this was a surprise," said Alex Diaz, a police spokesman.
                                Survivors include his mother; three sisters, Raquel, Estrella and Ester; a brother, Felix; and four sons, Hector Jr., Taylor, Christian and Justin.

                                Copyright 2012 by The Associated Press
                                Benny Blades~"If you break down this team man for man, we have talent to compare with any team."

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