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Old Today, 12:49 PM   #25041
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That's racist. You need to get right with Tahiti Coates, SLF.

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So if "progs" concede that police are murdering white dudes to
Yeah, so, that's not so concerning to them. Like, at all. So, I wouldn't hold my breath.

But, you know exactly what I said. An honest discussion about race-based policing has to dispense with the rhetoric talk about what is actually happening.
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I think it's fairly clear crash was generalizing. But, whatever.

We know AAs aren't more likely to be shot than other races, including whites. Until Progs relent and acknowledge that fact, there is no discussion.

Same can be said about Red folks and frequency of stops.

IMO, the rhetoric and increasing way politics bleeds into self won't ever let that happen. Conceding "Hands Up Don't Shoot" is a hoax means agreeing with Team Red. Conceding AAs DO have a rougher go of it with police means agreeing with Team Blue. Meanwhile the perfectly sensible middle has no say.
I'd to hear crash on that issue.

You are putting an awful lot of weight in that Harvard study that the Times used. It might be totally right, but it's data set was very small and more studies need to be done to get a comfort level. It was based on 10 police departments.

One of the problems that this study is that they don't have real good data on police killings at all.
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You are putting an awful lot of weight in that Harvard study
It also conforms to general statistics -- AAs are 4X more likely to be felons than white folks and less than 4X less likely to be shot. It also conforms to the statistics in the study that are negative to the police -- i.e., AAs are far more likely to have interactions with the police (stops, etc). If you have increased interactions with a much higher rate of bad people then it seems almost obvious that macro results will be what they are.

The Harvard study was surprised (bordering on shocked) by its findings re shootings. I was not.

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I mean, ok. But, are you comfy with Ferguson + Baltimore?
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Old Today, 01:07 PM   #25045
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Also, while Heather MacDonald is a staunch "blue lives matter" writer, and I suspect the study she cites re willingness of police to shoot folks based on their race has some holes (crash's WaPo link), there could be more truth to it than I think. I dunno -- I don't link it or rely on it -- but I also don't totally discount it.
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Froot/SLF:

You're good people. You've thought about shit. Your takes aren't without merit. We disagree. Np. In fact, I'm way more comfortable with that than my apparent agreement with The Wizard.

So, you know what I'm going to say on most things as I've said it all a dozen times.

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It also conforms to general statistics -- AAs are 4X more likely to be felons than white folks and less than 4X less likely to be shot. It also conforms to the statistics in the study that are negative to the police -- i.e., AAs are far more likely to have interactions with the police (stops, etc). If you have increased interactions with a much higher rate of bad people then it seems almost obvious that macro results will be what they are.


OK, but the shitty "war on drugs" is to blame for a lot of that 4x re: blacks
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