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Old June 8th, 2017, 05:17 PM   #3141
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Old June 17th, 2017, 07:48 AM   #3142
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Pistons should draft Luke Kennard because ... eh, whatever, what's the point.
Mitchell, Kennard, dat guy from France, Justin Jackson... something like that and the Pistons won't win the NBA championship for the next half decade, guaranteed because of predictability.
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Old June 17th, 2017, 10:52 AM   #3143
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Pistons should draft Luke Kennard because ... eh, whatever, what's the point.
Mitchell, Kennard, dat guy from France, Justin Jackson... something like that and the Pistons won't win the NBA championship for the next half decade, guaranteed because of predictability.
Heard that exact same argument 15 years ago because of Shaq and Kobe. And 30 years ago because of magic and bird. Somehow the Pistons have 3 championships. Funny...
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Old June 17th, 2017, 01:37 PM   #3144
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"... something like that and the Pistons won't win the NBA championship for the next half decade, guaranteed because of predictability."
------------------------------Next half decade?? Aren't we the optimistic one.
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Old June 17th, 2017, 08:11 PM   #3145
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Cleveland will dominate the East as long as LeBron remains at his transcendent level. That could be in two years or five years down the road.

Golden State will remain the class of the West for as long as they are willing to pay their big three.
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Old June 18th, 2017, 08:50 AM   #3146
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Heard that exact same argument 15 years ago because of Shaq and Kobe. And 30 years ago because of magic and bird. Somehow the Pistons have 3 championships. Funny...
The core of the Pistons, a team that went 37-45 last season, is basically locked in for the next 2-3 seasons. Pistons have a total of $50-$55MM per season signed towards Drummond, RJ, and Leuer for the next 3 seasons. $25-$30 million per season locked in to Harris, Boban, and Josh Smith.
What can the Pistons do, trade to relieve this salary? They don't have enough $$$ to sign game changing free agents. Also, because it's Detroit, isn't like a free agent would give the Pistons a discount.
Though it's early, it doesn't appear like SVG is that good at drafting (Stanley Johnson...), so it seems unlikely that they will hit gold drafting in the purgatory 7-12 range.

0% chance this core group of players exceeds LeBron or the ascending Celtics in the next three years at least. Due to super teams and the predictability of the NBA, I doubt the Pistons can form a team to compete with that in the next half decade.
Positive news: Little Caesars Arena will be nice.
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Old June 18th, 2017, 09:24 AM   #3147
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They are stuck in purgatory. Hell, their highest paid guy can't even make FT and has to be pulled in the finals mins of close games. Zero draft influence. You don't get better in the NBA pitcking late lotto.

Hire Sam Hinkie and lets turn this around.
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Old June 18th, 2017, 11:15 AM   #3148
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There were no arguments 30 years ago that the Pistons shouldn't try because of Bird and Magic, none.

The Pistons just need to get better one piece at a time. This year was a step back.
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Old June 18th, 2017, 04:02 PM   #3149
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Because there was a chance that you could compile enough talent to beat Bird and Magic.

There's NO chance to beat the current superteams. 0%. There's no point in even trying, and that's the problem you refuse to acknowledge.
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Old June 18th, 2017, 04:27 PM   #3150
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Because there was a chance that you could compile enough talent to beat Bird and Magic.

There's NO chance to beat the current superteams. 0%. There's no point in even trying, and that's the problem you refuse to acknowledge.
Might as well forfeit the season. No sense even turning the lights on.
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Old June 18th, 2017, 05:40 PM   #3151
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Boston is stocking up the picks. They dropped 2 spots and picked up 2018 and 2019 1st rounders from Philly. Boston will be good for a LONG time
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Old June 18th, 2017, 06:22 PM   #3152
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Might as well forfeit the season. No sense even turning the lights on.
That's the problem. Right now, you have two teams that ARE going to the Finals, and 28 teams that have no reason to show up.

This is good in the world of Froot Loops.
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Old June 18th, 2017, 07:07 PM   #3153
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The current World Champions were built on the trio of a late lotto pick(7th), a late lotto pick (11th) and a second round pick(35). The assembled their team by drafting well and trading well, the cherry on top was getting Durant because they had cap space.

The Celtic had the #1 seed in the East being led by the #60 pick of the 2011 draft.

The current Pistons have zero percent chance because they blow their wad on any player that shows any skill like Drummond.
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Old June 18th, 2017, 07:53 PM   #3154
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SVG the GM needs to go...

Now lets start the KCP discussion. Do we resign him to a near max? I say hell no.
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Old June 18th, 2017, 08:10 PM   #3155
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There were no arguments 30 years ago that the Pistons shouldn't try because of Bird and Magic, none.

The Pistons just need to get better one piece at a time. This year was a step back.
30 years ago College players were still staying 3-4 years. The odds are you were getting a good player that needed a little time to adjust to the NBA level.

Today, the landscape is totally different. Not to mention that you can't bully your way to anything in today's NBA.
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Old June 18th, 2017, 08:27 PM   #3156
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The current World Champions were built on the trio of a late lotto pick(7th), a late lotto pick (11th) and a second round pick(35). The assembled their team by drafting well and trading well, the cherry on top was getting Durant because they had cap space.
The Celtic had the #1 seed in the East being led by the #60 pick of the 2011 draft.
The current Pistons have zero percent chance because they blow their wad on any player that shows any skill like Drummond.
Yes, but the Pistons are bad at drafting.

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SVG the GM needs to go...
Now lets start the KCP discussion. Do we resign him to a near max? I say hell no.
Agreed, no way KCP should be brought back. Considering the current cap situation and how much a team like the Nets might pay KCP... sounds like it wouldn't be worth it. KCP shot below .400 FG% last season and hasn't been a good 3 point shooter ever.
I don't think the contract value of KCP makes signing him a good idea.

Though it won't happen and the Pistons will be stuck in the middle/ below average for a while, my idea would be the Sam Hinkie approach.
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Old June 18th, 2017, 08:29 PM   #3157
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30 years ago College players were still staying 3-4 years. The odds are you were getting a good player that needed a little time to adjust to the NBA level.

Today, the landscape is totally different. Not to mention that you can't bully your way to anything in today's NBA.
I'm merely pointing out nobody said what Kstat claimed, it didn't happen. Truthfully with Isiah Thomas, you would have been laughed at, he was the man early on.

As you point out how the landscape has changed, it makes actual less sense to tank because you aren't getting fully formed players. Also, if numerous teams are tanking, the returns on that strategy aren't as big.

My main point about getting better, is they have cast the die with the Jackson and Drummond contracts, they can't really trade those contracts. Nobody wants them at that price and/or you get nothing in return.
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Old June 18th, 2017, 09:08 PM   #3158
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Jordan was "The Man" early on and he didn't win squat either. Not sure what the point with Isiah is. Supporting casts are essential.

If the Pistons today don't have even 1 guy they can build a team around, well in todays landscape it's going to take a decade at least before they can seriously challenge for a title in a sport that makes sure it's best players can stay on the court for 45 of the 48 minutes of every game.
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Old June 18th, 2017, 11:02 PM   #3159
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Reggie's knee seemed to derail their plan. Remember they were coming on well in 2016 and actually played well vs the Cavs in the playoffs. Now I they're stuck. Can they find a way to get back on that positive track? If not I say blow it up.
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Old June 19th, 2017, 01:16 AM   #3160
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The current World Champions were built on the trio of a late lotto pick(7th), a late lotto pick (11th) and a second round pick(35). The assembled their team by drafting well and trading well, the cherry on top was getting Durant because they had cap space.

The Celtic had the #1 seed in the East being led by the #60 pick of the 2011 draft.

The current Pistons have zero percent chance because they blow their wad on any player that shows any skill like Drummond.
The Celtics had the #1 seed in the East solely because the Cavaliers didn't care enough.

When it came time for the games to actually matter... let's just say the series went 5 games because Cleveland was so bored by the insignificant challenge Boston posed that they fell asleep in Game 3.

But keep pretending that any other team has a chance in hell. They don't.
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