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  • jaadam4
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    I still can’t believe we wasted Stafford on the Patricia years. What a complete f’ing waste.

    If the Stafford trade was 3 years ago I’d have been pissed. We got exactly what we needed to for him and if the Rams falter it’ll be like winning the powerball for this org

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  • Fraquar
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    Originally posted by edindetroit View Post
    Hence two firsts and a third.
    Lol, they traded us a 1st to take Goff off their hands.....

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  • edindetroit
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    Hence two firsts and a third.

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  • Futureshock
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    https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/edge/a...ps-more-needed

    I totally commiserate with Sean McVay and his desire to jettison Jared Goff to bring in a potential franchise quarterback. McVay couldn’t get enough out of Goff, and every year, it progressively declined.

    We know how valuable early leads can be and how good McVay has been at dialing up early offense.

    Examine early down passing efficiency in the game’s first half since 2018, when the Rams went to the Super Bowl:

    2018: 0.22 EPA/att (third), 8.6 YPA (8.8 aDOT)
    2019: 0.19 EPA/att (fourth), 7.6 YPA (7.1 aDOT)
    2020: -0.10 EPA/att (29th), 6.9 YPA (5.5 aDOT)

    This translated onto the scoreboard, as most passing metrics do. Average halftime lead by season:

    2018: up by 5.2 points
    2019: up by 1.1 points
    2020: down by 0.4 points

    The Rams also scored less in the second half last year than in either of the two prior years.

    So then, how did they win 10 games last year? The defense was phenomenal, they played very weak offenses, and they held these opposing teams to an average of only 6.7 second half points.

    In the last seven years, only two other defenses out of 224 total held opponents to 6.7 second half points or lower, it’s that rare and that great.

    One specific phase of the passing game that regressed was Goff’s performance with play-action. He was bad without play-action for a few seasons, but using play-action stopped having the +EV that it once delivered. By design, McVay’s offense has one of the highest play-action rates in the NFL, so when it’s not producing benefits, that takes away a huge edge the team is accustomed to getting. Examine Goff’s performance with play-action the last three years:

    2018: 0.32 EPA/att, 9.6 YPA (11.0 aDOT)
    2019: 0.13 EPA/att, 7.9 YPA (7.9 aDOT)
    2020: 0.05 EPA/att, 7.8 YPA (6.1 aDOT)

    Keep in mind, the NFL average is 0.11 EPA/att and 8.3 YPA. Goff regressed tremendously.

    Last year, 55% of Goff's passing yardage came after the catch and only 45% came from air yards. That ranked 40th in the NFL. This was substantially worse than 2019 (52% was from air yards) even though Goff still ranked one of the worst (26th) in air yards as a percentage of total yards.

    Another phase that regressed was Goff’s ability to throw outside the numbers with accuracy. Look at the splits by year on passes outside the numbers that traveled 14 or more yards past the line of scrimmage:

    2018: 0.29 EPA/att, 11.5 YPA, 43% success, 59% on-target rate
    2019: 0.18 EPA/att, 9.9 YPA, 41% success, 52% on-target rate
    2020: -0.15 EPA/att, 8.4 YPA, 33% success, 43% on-target rate

    His average aDOT was consistent across the three years when we isolate for just these mid-range to deeper throws.

    Additionally, all Level 3 throws fell off as well, those that Sports Info Solutions deep have launched trajectory and are high-arc passes usually reserved for deep balls.

    Compare Goff to the NFL average in just 2020:

    Goff: -0.25 EPA/att, 6.6 YPA, 26% on-target rate
    Avg: 0.24 EPA/att, 12.3 YPA, 46% on-target rate

    Goff’s aDOT was consistent with the NFL average, he just was considerably worse when attempting these passes.

    We already discussed how this translated to a worse halftime scoreboard margin. But it also translated into fewer points scored than projected.

    Way fewer.

    When the linemakers set lines on a game, they set a spread and a total — which team should win, by how many points, and how many total points will be scored. They then do the math to calculate team totals, the total points each team is projected to score. Linemakers generally do some “work” on these to get them just above or below key point totals and adjust the juice accordingly. If we forget the “work” and just look at the gameday spread and total, we can calculate unadulterated team totals.

    Last year, on average, teams exceeded their projected point total in 8.3 games, as scoring was up. Only three teams exceeded their projected point total in no more than five of 16 games: the Eagles, the Texans, and the Rams.

    The Rams offense underwhelmed last year, scoring less than their projected point total in 11 of 16 games, tied for worst in the NFL.

    Over the last two years, the Rams scored fewer than their projected point totals in 19 of their 32 regular season games, fourth worst in the NFL.

    McVay clearly believed there wasn’t much more he could do with Goff at quarterback. He couldn’t build off the run game with play-action nor could he threaten defenses deep. These are two fundamental things for the Rams (and really any) offense. That, coupled with inefficient early down passing, caused problems for the Rams and McVay wanted something with much more upside.

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  • Futureshock
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    Mark Brunell: Jared Goff has a lot of qualities that I saw in Drew Brees

    Posted by Myles Simmons on August 20, 2021, 1:23 PM EDT

    USA TODAY Sports

    In the latter stage of Mark Brunell’s playing career, the quarterback served as a backup to Drew Brees with the Saints.

    Brunell is now the Lions’ quarterbacks coach, charged with aiding Jared Goff to have a bounce-back season after he was traded to Detroit.

    One of the observations Brunell made this week about Goff goes back to Brunell’s experience in New Orleans.

    He has a lot of qualities that I saw in Drew Brees,” Brunell said, via Justin Rogers of The Detroit News. “Really, the passion for the game, the work ethic, the leadership. There are some similarities there, which is great to see.”

    Reports out of Detroit’s training camp have characterized Goff’s practices as up and down, with several down days. And the signal-caller was 7-of-9 passing for 56 yards in last week’s preseason game.

    But Brunell was as positive as ever about the 26-year-old QB on Thursday.

    “I’ve been impressed with Jared from Day One,” Brunell said. “Let’s start with the person. He’s a hard worker. He has a great attitude. He’s a very good leader. As far as him on the field, you guys have seen it, he can throw that ball. He makes good decisions with it, and he’s really grown into this offense to the point where he’s doing a good job with it.

    “I, as a quarterbacks coach, it’s important to stress how critical it is to take care of the ball, to make good decisions. … If you don’t, you find yourself in trouble, but he’s been very smart with the ball. It’s been fun coaching him. He’s great to coach, because he’s coachable. When he does make a mistake, he responds well. He learns from it, and that’s all you can ask for in your quarterback room.”

    Taking care of the ball has been Goff’s problem over the last two seasons, having committed 38 turnovers in that span. He threw a pair of interceptions in Thursday’s practice, too, but Brunell said that as long as those mistakes are corrected going forward, it’s not a big deal.

    Whether or not Brunell can coach up Goff’s Brees-like qualities remains to be seen. But if he plays well, Goff can solidify his standing as Detroit’s quarterback of the future.

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  • Futureshock
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    Originally posted by chemiclord View Post

    He looked a lot like he did at the end of last season. Quick, short passes where you take one or maybe two reads, and if play isn't there, you check down. Which is to be expected. It takes time to find a new comfort zone.

    That's fine. It's Game 1 of the pre-season. If the offense and Goff still looks like this come Week 17, then we have a problem and the Lions will need to be looking QB high in the draft.
    Plus, I think the gameplan is going to be to wear the other team down and then look for deep throws. Short throws and runs and then later in the game, PA to deeper throws when you will (should) have more time against a tired DL.

    He played in the first, so you would expect them to be in short pass mode.

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  • chemiclord
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    Originally posted by Futureshock View Post

    He got the ball out quickly. We have a ways to go.
    He looked a lot like he did at the end of last season. Quick, short passes where you take one or maybe two reads, and if play isn't there, you check down. Which is to be expected. It takes time to find a new comfort zone.

    That's fine. It's Game 1 of the pre-season. If the offense and Goff still looks like this come Week 17, then we have a problem and the Lions will need to be looking QB high in the draft.

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  • Futureshock
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    That OL was..Ok. Sewell got pushed back by another rookie (who also didn't play last year) his first pass set. GR used his arm length to get by him. That bares watching in subsequent games. How is he going to do against players with length?

    The Sun god was very good. I thought he did well with his opportunities.

    I was hoping to see more passes go to Fells with TJ out but it didn't work out I guess.

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  • Futureshock
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    Originally posted by gibby View Post
    To me, it appeared he had a pretty clean pocket. If that continues, he could have a pretty good year. The OL still needs to gel more but could be a huge difference maker.
    He got the ball out quickly. We have a ways to go.

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  • Newbomb Turk
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    https://twitter.com/RakeATeener/stat...one-on-five%2F

    Goff looked better than Donald last night

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  • Dan V
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    I didn’t like seeing no Swift ( out with a groin pull). Hopefully it was a safe scratch .
    lions are cursed with running backs since Barry left

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  • gibby
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    To me, it appeared he had a pretty clean pocket. If that continues, he could have a pretty good year. The OL still needs to gel more but could be a huge difference maker.

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  • The Ken
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    Well he tried his best to throw a Matt Stafford right off the bat

    He failed to convert for a TD on that long drive

    Preseason

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  • chemiclord
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    Goff looked... okay tonight.

    Nothing to be amazed by, mind you. He looked very much like a QB in a very new system. His first pass attempt was a dangerous one, but he didn't make too many glaring mistakes.

    If he still looks like this come Week 17, though...

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