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  • Hannibal
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    Originally posted by Jeff Buchanan View Post

    Would this data make you feel differently?

    There's been a distinct shift in the mean age groups away from 65+ to the 35 to 64 groups. This is noticeable at the link during the current increase in COVID infections (scroll down to the interactive chart). It has taken a lot of shifting to move the median age down as at the start of the pandemic, you are right, deaths were predominantly in the 65+ group and more distinctly over 70. No more. If you're under 64 your more at risk now than you were at the start of this thing.

    From the chart, the age group from 1-64 has experienced an increasing number of deaths in the current circumstance compared to that same group in April, 2020 and two other surges that followed. It's not even close.

    I'll acknowledge the risk of death remains low. Fine, I get that sort of risk assessment. OTH were not talking deaths here, we're talking dampening spread of the virus by getting vaccinated so that idiots in government don't over react to the meaningless new case numbers metric.

    Boosters potentially will decrease spread. Acknowledged we don't know for sure but I do trust the Israeli experience with waning protection from infection and hence increased spread. It's a good example that would apply in the US SE population wise. If you live in the NE where viral prevalence is low, maybe not.

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c....htm#SexAndAge
    The over 65 crowd is vaccinated at a much higher rate. If you control for that variable, I expect that you would find that the age distribution is the same.

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  • Kapture1
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    Originally posted by THE_WIZARD_ View Post
    Why has Fauci not been fired and charged with crimes?
    He won't even be charged with lying to Congress under oath. Back to that 2 tier justice system in the US.

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  • Kapture1
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    Pfizer is coming out with a Covid pill, a protease inhibitor.

    Ivermectin is a protease inhibitor lol



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  • THE_WIZARD_
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    Why has Fauci not been fired and charged with crimes?

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  • Kapture1
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    Originally posted by Jeff Buchanan View Post

    Would this data make you feel differently?

    There's been a distinct shift in the mean age groups away from 65+ to the 35 to 64 groups. This is noticeable at the link during the current increase in COVID infections (scroll down to the interactive chart). It has taken a lot of shifting to move the median age down as at the start of the pandemic, you are right, deaths were predominantly in the 65+ group and more distinctly over 70. No more. If you're under 64 your more at risk now than you were at the start of this thing.

    From the chart, the age group from 1-64 has experienced an increasing number of deaths in the current circumstance compared to that same group in April, 2020 and two other surges that followed. It's not even close.

    I'll acknowledge the risk of death remains low. Fine, I get that sort of risk assessment. OTH were not talking deaths here, we're talking dampening spread of the virus by getting vaccinated so that idiots in government don't over react to the meaningless new case numbers metric.

    Boosters potentially will decrease spread. Acknowledged we don't know for sure but I do trust the Israeli experience with waning protection from infection and hence increased spread. It's a good example that would apply in the US SE population wise. If you live in the NE where viral prevalence is low, maybe not.

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c....htm#SexAndAge
    How's the 17 and under crowd faring?

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  • Jeff Buchanan
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    Originally posted by Hannibal View Post
    I don't care about the unvaccinated. Period. If the age vulnerability profile of Covid-19 was different, then I would feel differently because children cannot make judgements like we can, but since the victims are still overwhelmingly in the 65+ range, that's not an issue. By now, if you have a TV or you have stepped out of your house, then you have been bombarded with advertisements and propaganda telling you to get vaccinated. We have reached peak vaccine propaganda. There is no more encouragement to be done. We might get a slow trickle of people as employers increasingly require vaccines, but that's it.

    I'm not getting a booster unless somebody can convince me that I need it for my own safety.
    Would this data make you feel differently?

    There's been a distinct shift in the mean age groups away from 65+ to the 35 to 64 groups. This is noticeable at the link during the current increase in COVID infections (scroll down to the interactive chart). It has taken a lot of shifting to move the median age down as at the start of the pandemic, you are right, deaths were predominantly in the 65+ group and more distinctly over 70. No more. If you're under 64 your more at risk now than you were at the start of this thing.

    From the chart, the age group from 1-64 has experienced an increasing number of deaths in the current circumstance compared to that same group in April, 2020 and two other surges that followed. It's not even close.

    I'll acknowledge the risk of death remains low. Fine, I get that sort of risk assessment. OTH were not talking deaths here, we're talking dampening spread of the virus by getting vaccinated so that idiots in government don't over react to the meaningless new case numbers metric.

    Boosters potentially will decrease spread. Acknowledged we don't know for sure but I do trust the Israeli experience with waning protection from infection and hence increased spread. It's a good example that would apply in the US SE population wise. If you live in the NE where viral prevalence is low, maybe not.

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c....htm#SexAndAge

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  • AlabamAlum
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    Jfc.

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  • Kapture1
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    DD0EPYXI.jpg

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  • Kapture1
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    Originally posted by Jeff Buchanan View Post

    Would you like me to go through the numbers here? No? Suffice it to say, recent studies (I read all three) I wrote about yesterday demonstrate that the viral load obtained from samples of patients experiencing a breakthrough infection with Delta, once thought to be higher than those infected with SARS2 A, are actually significantly lower. That reduces the likelihood of aersol transmission.

    So, sure, you can Catch COVID from the vaccinated but spread, reducing it being the ultimate goal at present as I argue above, is damped. The facts on the ground unquestionably demonstrate this.
    So they end up with less Covid to spread lol.

    ok, well my point about catching Covid from a vaccinated person is still, currently, reality.

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  • Jeff Buchanan
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    Originally posted by Kapture1 View Post

    You can catch Covid from vaccinated people.
    Would you like me to go through the numbers here? No? Suffice it to say, recent studies (I read all three) I wrote about yesterday demonstrate that the viral load obtained from samples of patients experiencing a breakthrough infection with Delta, once thought to be higher than those infected with SARS2 A, are actually significantly lower. That reduces the likelihood of aersol transmission.

    So, sure, you can Catch COVID from the vaccinated but spread, reducing it being the ultimate goal at present as I argue above, is damped. The facts on the ground unquestionably demonstrate this.

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  • Dr. Strangelove
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  • Jeff Buchanan
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    The pregnant question is whether or not the Taliban government will support terrorist tactics for political gain v. the West. I think the potential for that is high. While we tend to label the Afghanis as incompetent organizers of game changing ops, it doesn't take much these days to carry out devastating attacks - on infrastructure, inside sports venues, the list is long.

    That the Chinese and Russians are already engaging the Taliban is troublesome for the sole reason that Putin is a first class agitator and disruptor. Anyone doubt that? The Chinese settling in to Bagram airbase as a central operational point to spread their sleazy influence among a population of Afghanis that really only care about tribal well being and their own pockets is ripe for Chinese influence. Then, of course, we have the emerging ISIS-K and a rebounding Al Q. Both, and more, completely capable of mounting and executing world wide terror attacks that the Taliban can and will leverage to their advantage to gain recognition and funding.

    One can argue, "who cares" about what the Chinese do or what the Taliban might do. It matters in that region. The publicly stated strategic goal for the US there ought to involve stabilizing the region by enlisting Arab powers to do that. Trump had this policy spot on. Right now the whole of the ME is a disaster of crushed economies and an impoverished, often starving population trying to escape without anywhere to go. We shouldn't give a rat's ass about authoritarians or only dealing with countries that promote democratic principals and rights.

    Dark strategic goals should be to cut off money flow to the hands of organizers even and especially the low level ones. This seems to have worked at some level over the last decade. Identify the leadership among terrorist groups and kill them and their relatives - sounds gruesome. War is gruesome. That's going to be the guy 4 or 5 down from the Mullahs who conceive and order a terror op. It seems we have the technology to at least be good if not great at this. I thought finding and killing the alleged dude that planned the attack at the Kabul airport telling. It's doable. Not having boots on the ground hurts that sort of op but OTH tech is probably pretty damn good.

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  • Kapture1
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    Originally posted by Obi-Jon View Post


    Your probably right on all counts. Because of sepsis and sepsis shock, I am severely immun-compromised. A booster is required for me during one of the changes of post hospitalization treatments. Even that will be only partially effective (better than none). Docs have also stated I must avoid all unvaccinated which is difficult as none wear signs. I live in Trumplandia, home of the unvaxxed, Means I'm home bound, except for friends and family where the entire household is vaxxed.

    I find it slightly unfair to be exiled or risk being killed with impunity by an unvaxxed knuckle dragger. But such is the world I live in today.
    You can catch Covid from vaccinated people.

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  • Obi-Jon
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    Originally posted by Hannibal View Post
    ..... There is no more encouragement to be done. We might get a slow trickle of people as employers increasingly require vaccines, but that's it. I'm not getting a booster unless somebody can convince me that I need it for my own safety.

    Your probably right on all counts. Because of sepsis and sepsis shock, I am severely immun-compromised. A booster is required for me during one of the changes of post hospitalization treatments. Even that will be only partially effective (better than none). Docs have also stated I must avoid all unvaccinated which is difficult as none wear signs. I live in Trumplandia, home of the unvaxxed, Means I'm home bound, except for friends and family where the entire household is vaxxed.

    I find it slightly unfair to be exiled or risk being killed with impunity by an unvaxxed knuckle dragger. But such is the world I live in today.

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  • Da Geezer
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    This is a pretty interesting article about the five terrorists that were "traded" for Beau Bergdahl. Four of them are in the new Taliban government.

    https://www.breitbart.com/national-s...an-government/

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