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  • A degree is essentially a product. Caveat emptor. There is no excuse for someone to take out a huge school loan and then bitch that they were unaware of job opportunities or salaries available after graduation. You have a cell phone? You can well research both in about the time it takes to order an avocado toast and kombucha at some millennial eatery. Cry me a river, Addison or Hunter. Your tears will find no purchase with my sympathy.
    "The problem with quotes on the Internet is that it is sometimes hard to verify their authenticity." -Abraham Lincoln

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    • Hmmm. That's a reason why I think college ought not be free.
      Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
      Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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      • A good proxy for the German model: https://www.fu-berlin.de/en/presse/i...fup/index.html. The ratio of soft to hard studies is pretty bad, actually, me and AA might even say.

        I also think that we've already got taxpayer dollars spent on education and on humanities, and on soft skills and cultural enrichment. Certainly public schools at all levels are cutting back on stuff like music and art instruction, but it's there and in the mix.

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        • Originally posted by iam416 View Post
          Hmmm. That's a reason why I think college ought not be free.

          I am not for universal tax payer funded free college. At all. I do like what Georgia does, though.
          "The problem with quotes on the Internet is that it is sometimes hard to verify their authenticity." -Abraham Lincoln

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          • Originally posted by AlabamAlum View Post

            Belgium beer is better and it has 100% less fascism.
            Now and again I'm up for some of the spiced-up fragrant stuff, but that's a changeup. In the summer months one should make the Munich breweries the mainstay. It astonishes me that I can get a six of Paulaner Hefeweisen for less than I can some overfruited nonsense from a craft brewery in the US that didn't even exist three years ago.

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            • https://www.ft.com/content/7d2e6802-...1-e01af256df68

              Fun piece on Jordan Peterson. Very easy to unravel.

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              • Originally posted by hack View Post

                Now and again I'm up for some of the spiced-up fragrant stuff, but that's a changeup. In the summer months one should make the Munich breweries the mainstay. It astonishes me that I can get a six of Paulaner Hefeweisen for less than I can some overfruited nonsense from a craft brewery in the US that didn't even exist three years ago.

                I don't love hefes. Revise and resubmit.
                "The problem with quotes on the Internet is that it is sometimes hard to verify their authenticity." -Abraham Lincoln

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                • hack-beerpost-v2:

                  Now and again I'm up for some of the spiced-up fragrant stuff, but that's a changeup. In the summer months one should make the Munich breweries the mainstay. It astonishes me that I can get a six of Paulaner Hefeweisen for less than I can some overfruited nonsense from a craft brewery in the US that didn't even exist three years ago. Even for those poor souls unable to appreciate a wonderful wheat beer in the summer months, Munich's lagers are the world's finest.

                  Alternate suggestion: Yuengling. At $7, or even $20 for a case of 24, that's the best beer for your buck in America.

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                  • lol
                    "The problem with quotes on the Internet is that it is sometimes hard to verify their authenticity." -Abraham Lincoln

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                    • "What's wrong with Jordan Peterson?"

                      Nothing if you are some wimpy shit who can't get laid and need someone to spurt psycobabble that it is your right as a male to grow up aggressive and dominate women or need to blame all others for your lack of masculinity. If only you could fight and pound your chest. Do it Do It Do it (or to make it simple-Kapture is the perfect poster boy for his shit._

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                      • One thing for which Peterson deserves a ton of credit is admitting when he's wrong. I thought he was just a bog-standard snake oil salesman, and that's where he seemed headed with the weird revivalist-preacher suit he wears now, but you can't be that guy if you're intellectually as honest as he is. Kind of a unique character. Seems to really believe what he says.

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                        • Stan's #hottake on Peterson only affirms my thoughts on him.
                          Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
                          Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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                          • BTW, I'm quite open to why folks things Peterson is wrong or awful. Personally, I disagree with his take on the humanities. Unfortunately, hack's FT article was pay-walled. But, if there are positions he takes that someone finds ludicrous they can make that case. When shit on, e.g., Jessica Valenti (or Dan Rather...lol)....I try to explain why (perhaps ever so briefly). But, I'm open to hearing why he's awful.
                            Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
                            Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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                            • 8/1/2018 Jordan Peterson: ‘One thing I’m not is naive’ | Financial Times

                              Some people hear mysticism in Jordan Peterson’s voice; others detect anger. But above all he oozes
                              certainty. Airport security is “creeping fascism”; identity politics is “murderous”; blaming
                              capitalism for inequality “is naive beyond belief”. Peterson is to moral judgments what traffic
                              wardens are to parking tickets. He describes his own verbal IQ as “off the charts”.
                              “Ingratitude is one of the things that’s deeply wrong,” he says at the beginning of our lunch, quickly
                              establishing that small talk will not be served. “You hear all these radical leftist types in the west
                              complaining about the 1 per cent. By world standards, they’re the 1 per cent.”
                              Oh, sorry — you probably still have no idea who Jordan Peterson is. If social media had never been
                              invented, perhaps none of us would.
                              In 1999, when he was just a psychology professor at the University of Toronto, Peterson published
                              his first book, Maps of Meaning, and almost nobody read it. In 2001, he circulated an open letter
                              to George W Bush and the US Congress, warning that a vengeful response to the Twin Towers
                              attacks risked producing a “cycle of terror”. Almost nobody read that either. Peterson seemed
                              destined to remain a well-regarded psychologist with a slot on Ontario public TV. Think Frasier
                              without the humour.
                              Then came the internet effect. In 2013 Peterson began broadcasting his lectures on YouTube. Three
                              years later he denounced a draft law that he argued could lead to the prosecution of those who
                              refused to call transsexuals by their preferred pronouns. It was theoretical: to this day, no one has
                              asked him to call them “ze”. But it made Peterson an overnight general in the culture wars. And he
                              likes a fight: “I’d slap you happily,” he told one critic on Twitter.
                              Trump supporters have had enough of experts; now they can’t get enough of Peterson. YouTube is
                              full of videos with titles such as “How to shut up a Marxist (Jordan Peterson speech)” (480,000
                              views) and “Jordan Peterson leaves feminist speechless” (878,000). His self-help manual, 12 Rules
                              for Life, has sold more than 1m copies since its publication in January, but it’s an afterthought.
                              “I have a multimedia empire, you know,” he says, intensely. He feels part of “an absolute
                              revolution”: “the spoken word now has the reach of the written word . . . Maybe it’s easier for
                              people to listen than read, so maybe that increases the market for ideas by 25 per cent or 50 per
                              cent — we don’t know, but it’s a lot.”
                              Peterson epitomises how the internet is reshaping our public debate, and giving a megaphone to
                              the fringes. Even opponents concede that he reaches anxious white males whom the left cannot. He
                              is the anti-#MeToo, the anti-1968, the defender of old-school masculinity. White privilege is a
                              “Marxist lie”; the glass ceiling is “a lot more complicated than it looks”. He urges people to set
                              social justice aside, to take personal responsibility, to study the Bible. For anyone who thinks
                              Canada breeds only Justin Trudeaus and Margaret Atwoods, here is a reality check.
                              It’s not just Trumpists. Who isn’t occasionally frustrated by identity politics? Who can’t see the
                              fractures in our social contract, our liberal ethics? You might recoil from his debating style, but you
                              can’t escape the uncomfortable sensation that he is dealing in facts. “I’m just laying out the
                              empirical evidence,” he insisted in perhaps his most-watched performance, a 30-minute interview
                              with the Channel 4 News journalist Cathy Newman. The most controversial Canadian is righteous.
                              But is he right?
                              Peterson loathes carbs as much as Marxists. He has “a very, very, very restricted diet” of meat,
                              fish and some greens — to control severe depression and an auto-immune disorder.
                              So instead of a restaurant, we meet in a flat in London’s Bloomsbury, where his wife Tammy
                              prepares the food. (For Peterson, the alternative to the traditional division of household labour is
                              generally “chaos, conflict and indeterminacy”.) I contribute a bunch of sunflowers and a bottle of
                              wine, which it turns out Peterson can’t drink. The flat is small and airless, with a kitchen on one
                              wall and a large TV along another. It is one stop on a promotional tour. “This really is pretty much
                              life — trying to figure out different stoves,” he says.
                              He spoons liquid into a bowl for him, and slides a pastry and a Spanish tortilla on to a plate for me.
                              He often uses the longest word possible: he puts down a side plate, and explains, “This is a
                              subsidiary plate.” Tammy heads out for a walk.
                              Peterson copied his diet from his daughter, who also suffered from depression; since starting it, he
                              has lost 50lb, stopped snoring, and no longer suffers from psoriasis and gum disease. “I still don’t
                              believe it. It just seems too ridiculous.” We sit at a glass-top table, and I ask what he’s eating.
                              “Chicken with chicken broth. It’s pretty damn plain.”
                              Peterson’s philosophical starting point is that “life is suffering”, and that happiness is a stupid goal.
                              Has his own life been mostly suffering or joy? “That’s a good question,” the 55-year-old says. On
                              one side of the balance is the “vicious streak of depression” that has affected him, his daughter, his
                              father and his grandfather; his daughter also had rheumatoid arthritis. On the other are his career
                              and his family; he “really like[s]” both his children, and his daughter recently gave birth. “Probably
                              the good has outweighed the bad,” he concludes.
                              He and Tammy grew up on the same street in Fairview, a frontier town in northern Alberta. The
                              winters were so cold that homeless drunks froze to death; the nearest big city was hundreds of
                              miles away. Peterson’s father was a teacher and the local fire chief. He himself was a tearful boy
                              who worked odd jobs from the age of 13. “I’m a practical person. I’m not too bad a carpenter. I can
                              renovate houses . . . I like working-class people, generally speaking.”
                              After graduating he had teaching spells at Harvard
                              and Toronto, and developed a personality test for
                              companies based on five traits. (He ranked in the
                              99th percentile for assertiveness, but only the 30th
                              for politeness.)
                              When fame came knocking, he couldn’t get to the
                              door fast enough. “I didn’t expect this, but it wasn’t
                              expectable — this level of notoriety isn’t predictable,”
                              he says. He knew he was dealing with “the most
                              fundamental of psychological ideas”. Carl Jung
                              “probably accounts for about 40 per cent of what I
                              think”, but there’s also “a heavy biological component”.
                              By now, Peterson has taken off his Ecco sandals, and is sitting barefoot and cross-legged while he
                              eats. But he is not Zen. I mention that critics say he deals in clichés: the seventh rule in his recent
                              book is “pursue what is meaningful”. That’s all it takes to light his fuse. “Jesus Christ, first of all,
                              one thing I’m not is naive. I’ve 20,000 hours of clinical practice; you’re not naive after the first few
                              thousand. I’ve helped people deal with things that most people can’t imagine.”
                              The atmosphere is now a few degrees below convivial. I turn to my aubergine pie, which is peppery
                              and filling. Peterson pours himself water, and leaves the bottle out of my reach. I stare at the
                              unopened wine.
                              Peterson is obsessed by Nazi and communist atrocities; his home in Canada is decorated with
                              Soviet propaganda; his daughter is named Mikhaila, after the last Soviet leader. He sees inequality
                              as “the norm” in animal life and says he’s in a “theological fight” to put the individual before the
                              collective. But he also wants society to “stop teaching 19-year-old girls that their primary destiny is
                              career”. Isn’t that defining people by a group identity — to say motherhood will shape women’s
                              career ambitions? “Yeah, well, I suppose — I see what you mean. I still think they have the right to
                              make the choice.”
                              Would this mean fewer women going to university than men? “I don’t know how it should play out
                              practically,” he says. “The mystery isn’t why women bail out of high-powered careers . . . The
                              mystery is why anyone stays. It’s a small percentage of people who do the 80-hour-a-week highpowered
                              career thing, and they’re almost all men. Why? Well, men are driven by socio-economic
                              status more than women.”
                              What did he make of Sheryl Sandberg’s ideas for women to progress? “Lean in? I think that,
                              coming from her background, she should be careful of attributing too much of her success to her
                              own endeavours.” Peterson’s point is that much IQ is inherited, so Sandberg had a head start.
                              “Lean in — tell that to the person who’s not literate.”
                              But I’m not sure what this means at a societal level:
                              men and women have the same average IQ. In
                              heterosexual couples where the man has the lower IQ,
                              shouldn’t he stay at home with kids? “It’s rare —
                              women won’t marry men with lower IQs.” But where
                              they do? “It might make more economic sense [for
                              the man to stay at home]. Whether it makes more
                              sense, that’s a tougher question.”
                              We’re on to the idea that men and women have different preferences. What’s the evidence? “It’s
                              absolutely overwhelming. Let me walk you through it.” I decide that wine is now essential, and
                              Peterson pauses briefly to find a glass in a cupboard. We put our plates in the sink.
                              Last year James Damore, an engineer, was fired from Google after claiming that women are
                              biologically less suited than men to writing software. “Damore got it right, for sure,” says Peterson.
                              Both men cite David Schmitt, a US psychologist whose research has revealed personality difference
                              between sexes. But Schmitt says the differences are moderate in size, and “unlikely to be all that
                              relevant to the Google workplace”.
                              Peterson flips over my notepad, and starts drawing bell curves to represent standard deviations of
                              aggressiveness. “Of course we don’t hear calls for 50 per cent gender equality in prisons now, do
                              we?” That’s fascinating, I say honestly, but I don’t get why you cite Schmitt, who doesn’t agree with
                              you. “I’d have to look at his analysis. My gut feeling would be because it doesn’t fit with his
                              ideological preconceptions,” says Peterson. Bias is other people.
                              One of my own rules for life is coffee after lunch, but who needs caffeine when you have
                              Peterson? “Hospitals may do more harm than good”, “solar power kills more people than nuclear”
                              One thing I’m not is naive …
                              I’ve helped people deal with
                              things that most people
                              can’t imagine — if you have ears, he can prick them up. His sentences have the arc of well-thrown darts. I have to
                              remind myself to stop admiring his words, and to keep interrogating his ideas.
                              Could 12 Rules for Life stand up to peer review? “Have at it, man! Yeah, I was very careful about
                              the claims in the book.” OK, in a chapter on why people don’t follow their prescriptions, his
                              arguments centre on the guilt of Adam and Eve. Is that testable? “The way you would test that is to
                              find out whether people who are harsher on themselves would be less likely to take prescription
                              medication. The probability that’s true is pretty high.” But, he concedes, “the research hasn’t been
                              done”.
                              Predictably, Peterson doubts climate change is man-made. His book is scathing about
                              environmentalists, whom he accuses of wanting fewer humans on the planet. This, he says, causes
                              students to “suffer genuine declines in their mental health”. Is there any evidence for that? One
                              second, two seconds — 10 seconds pass. “No. There’s no hard evidence.” He suggests the problem
                              is “an epidemiological matter”: “the instruments that people used to assess depression in the 1950s
                              aren’t the same as the instruments now”. So the point is “more a hypothesis”.
                              Peterson may be an academic, but he’s dispensing with the academy’s constraints. His university
                              salary is around $128,000; that now looks modest beside the $1m a year he receives in
                              crowdfunding via the site Patreon, in return for YouTube Q&As. Traditional universities charge
                              “unforgivable” fees, and “haven’t got a hope of surviving in their present form”, he says. He has
                              hired three people to work on a proposal for a new online university — “user-funded at the lowest
                              possible cost, but also crowdsourced in terms of its operation”. He is in touch with Peter Thiel, the
                              venture capitalist who urges undergraduates to drop out. There’s a blurred line between the
                              thinker and the salesman, and Peterson has crossed it.
                              Peterson sees himself as “more of a traditionalist than a conservative”. Yet he is abandoning
                              traditional institutions. He exalts the meaning found in Bible stories but he no longer goes to
                              church. “I can’t tolerate it. I find the ritualistic presentation of the ideas — I don’t know how to say
                              it exactly — I don’t feel that the people who are presenting the stories are discussing them as if they
                              believe that they’re true.” Does he donate to charity? He gives to a kids’ charity in Toronto and to
                              public television, “but not on a massive scale”.
                              Tammy has returned from her walk, and is sitting on the sofa reading a book called Pressing Reset.
                              Abruptly, she announces we are out of time: Peterson has a call with Sports Illustrated. “That’s that
                              then,” he says.
                              It’s a shame, partly because I’ve only drunk a third of the wine. It’s a shame, too, because I had
                              wanted to ask Peterson about his claim that parents should hit their misbehaving children, and not
                              just with “a swat across the backside”. Peer-reviewed articles suggest it does long-term harm. I’d
                              also like to know more about his eye-catching argument that social inequalities are part of the
                              natural order, reflected in the serotonin levels of lobsters and humans. Interestingly, he never
                              mentions in 12 Rules that he took anti-depressants to increase serotonin levels in his own brain.
                              Perhaps serotonin isn’t destiny?
                              I ask about his influence. He knows that context matters: in 2013, he co-wrote a study that found
                              that a meditation session made people more liberal. These days he claims he is stopping angry
                              young men from embracing extremism. But could he be encouraging his admirers to reinforce their
                              prejudices, to build up steam? “No, I don’t think so . . . They never talk about politics to me, when
                              they meet me.”
                              Peterson jokes that prophets “tend to meet a pretty dismal end” and is afraid that his
                              outspokenness will go too far — that he will end up “saying something that would do me in”. But
                              it’s hard to imagine what this could be. Peterson has already accused feminists who defend Muslim
                              rights of an “unconscious wish for brutal male domination”, with no apparent ill-effect on book
                              sales. So will people still be talking about him in 20 years? “I don’t know. I don’t know what we’ll
                              be like in 20 years. There’s a lot of things happening in AI and robotics.”
                              He needn’t worry, I think, as I let myself out into the stairwell. How could robots ever replace
                              Jordan B Peterson? Yes, they would churn out moral judgments. But surely theirs would be
                              constrained by the available data.

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                              • I honestly don't know what the right word is for the guy. Some of the positions he takes ARE awful. Some aren't. I think it's wonderful to have a "public intellectual", for want of a better term, that so readily admits fallibility. That's so novel and welcome. But if you're minded to follow the money, it's obvious he's cashing in, and the analysis probably has to start there.

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