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  • Bunch of Florida polls came out recently and they were universally bad for Republicans

    NBC/Marist

    Nelson(D) 48%
    Scott (R) 45%

    Gillum (D) 48%
    DeSantis (R) 43%

    Approve of Trump 46%
    Disapprove of Trump 48%

    Quinnipiac

    Nelson (D) 53%
    Scott (R) 46%

    Approve of Trump 44%
    Disapprove of Trump 54%

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    • I’ll read that decision, DSL.

      Keep fighting the good fight, Hannibal. I’d like to think we’re teaching young girls not to make shit up 35 years later for political gain, but apparently that’s what the #GentryProgs are doing. And the press goosesteps with them.

      And there’s almost no question the Orwellian Progessive McCarthyites are coming. Europe is getting there, and campus speech codes are a precursor here.
      Last edited by iam416; September 25th, 2018, 05:58 PM.
      Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
      Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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      • Originally posted by Dr. Strangelove View Post

        The only one of those three that's remotely close to a monopoly is Google. There are dozens of social media alternatives, including those that have been set up by the Alt Right like Gab. The First Amendment obviously doesn't obligate Facebook or Twitter to act as your publisher; nor do you have a inalienable right to have your thoughts disseminated to the widest audience possible.
        of course they are not a publisher because if they were, they would be sued out of existence. they sought protections from government via the Communications Decency Act, section 230, claiming they are not publishers, but platforms. they want to act as publishers and decide what opinions gets shared on their platform, but be free of the consequences.

        you get that, right? it's why AT&T can't be sued or held responsible if criminal activity is discussed over their lines. But if they start acting like a publisher, while receiving the protections of a platform... you start to see how this becomes a problem. either they are a publisher or not.
        Last edited by Kapture1; September 25th, 2018, 06:29 PM.

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        • Originally posted by iam416 View Post
          I’ll read that decision, DSL.

          Keep fighting the good fight, Hannibal. I’d like to think we’re teaching young girls not to make shit up 35 years later for political gain, but apparently that’s what the #GentryProgs are doing. And the press goosesteps with them.

          And there’s almost no question the Orwellian Progessive McCarthyites are coming. Europe is getting there, and campus speech codes are a precursor here.
          the same people that mocked Mike Pence for his rule of never being alone with a woman that wasn't his wife.

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          • A Federal judge ruled in May that PDJT could not block folks on Twitter because his twitter account is a public forum. I think that’s crazy, but it’s currently the law in one district. It’s not much a leap from that ruling to “Twitter is a public forum” and then we have 1st A issues.

            In any event, it certainly is the private company’s right to censor as they see fit. But, it’s still censorship, it’s still the most prominent social media and it’s still left wing driven. So it indisputably supports the proposition that the left is about censorship. Which is the point. Saying they’re free to be left wing censors doesn’t dispute that point at all; just whistles past the graveyard.
            Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
            Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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            • Originally posted by iam416 View Post
              A Federal judge ruled in May that PDJT could not block folks on Twitter because his twitter account is a public forum. I think that’s crazy, but it’s currently the law in one district. It’s not much a leap from that ruling to “Twitter is a public forum” and then we have 1st A issues.

              In any event, it certainly is the private company’s right to censor as they see fit. But, it’s still censorship, it’s still the most prominent social media and it’s still left wing driven. So it indisputably supports the proposition that the left is about censorship. Which is the point. Saying they’re free to be left wing censors doesn’t dispute that point at all; just whistles past the graveyard.
              If FoxNews and MSNBC have the freedom to censor and decide on what range of views they will disseminate (and they do), then why don't Twitter and Facebook? They are not monopolies, no matter their popularity. Start an exodus of right-wingers to Gab if you think it will succeed.

              My bottom line is how can anyone consider the Fairness Doctrine is oppression while simultaneously arguing that Facebook has an ethical or moral obligation to basically allow any political opinion to be published?

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              • Originally posted by iam416 View Post
                I’ll read that decision, DSL.

                Keep fighting the good fight, Hannibal. I’d like to think we’re teaching young girls not to make shit up 35 years later for political gain, but apparently that’s what the #GentryProgs are doing. And the press goosesteps with them.

                And there’s almost no question the Orwellian Progessive McCarthyites are coming. Europe is getting there, and campus speech codes are a precursor here.
                Do you think she is lying?

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                • DSL:

                  I’m certainly not arguing they have a moral obligation to do so. I am saying they are the largest social media platforms by far and they do censor and it is leftist. It seems like we’re in complete agreement since I haven’t heard you dispute my point and I agree with yours.
                  Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
                  Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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                  • Alex Jones totally deserved to get banned from Twitter. What he was doing with those ambush videos was in direct violation of the code of conduct every user clicks through when they sign up. If you direct your followers to harass other users you deserve to get banned..

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                    • Froot:

                      Yes. But, more directly nothing corroborates her story. It’s unsure as to location and even YEAR, and everyone she’s identified as being there and that has submitted statements to the Judiciary under penalty of perjury has no recollection. On that basis alone this whole thing is a fucking hatchet job.

                      Feinstein intentionally withheld the letter. She could have disclosed it anonymously much earlier. We know this because she disclosed it anonymously. Instead she waited until days before committee vote. Then they stalled the testimony to get the preposterous NewYorker story out in an effort to bootstrap their uncorroborated story with an even worse story. It’s been nakedly political from the jump. Period.

                      These are the facts.
                      Last edited by iam416; September 25th, 2018, 06:45 PM.
                      Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
                      Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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                      • Originally posted by iam416 View Post
                        DSL:

                        I’m certainly not arguing they have a moral obligation to do so. I am saying they are the largest social media platforms by far and they do censor and it is leftist. It seems like we’re in complete agreement since I haven’t heard you dispute my point and I agree with yours.
                        I believe they censor now, yes. It was the wild, wild west for a while, and the same is true of most of social media.

                        It just seems to me that if you wanted the end of net neutrality and you HATE the Fairness Doctrine, and that's true of most conservatives, you sort of lost the right to complain when private companies censor you. Either you want government intervening to protect political speech or you don't. Not just when you're the 'victim'. Alternatives aren't on the same level but they're out there.

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                        • Originally posted by froot loops View Post
                          Alex Jones totally deserved to get banned from Twitter. What he was doing with those ambush videos was in direct violation of the code of conduct every user clicks through when they sign up. If you direct your followers to harass other users you deserve to get banned..
                          i remember when CNN tracked down an old grandma because she liked a post on Facebook by one of those Russian troll farms. ambushed the shit out of that poor woman at her house. no ban. no warning. no restricted account access.

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                          • Originally posted by iam416 View Post
                            Froot:

                            Yes. But, more directly nothing corroborates her story. It’s unsure as to location and even YEAR, and everyone she’s identified as being there and that has submitted statements to the Judiciary under penalty of perjury has no recollection. On that basis alone this whole thing is a fucking hatchet job.

                            Feinstein intentionally withheld the letter. She could have disclosed it anonymously much earlier. We know this because she disclosed it anonymously. Instead she waited until days before committee vote. Then they stalled the testimony to get the preposterous NewYorker story out in an effort to bootstrap their uncorroborated story with an even worse story. It’s been nakedly political from the jump. Period.

                            These are the facts.
                            Where was it reported Feinstein disclosed it anonymously?

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                            • Originally posted by Dr. Strangelove View Post

                              I believe they censor now, yes. It was the wild, wild west for a while, and the same is true of most of social media.

                              It just seems to me that if you wanted the end of net neutrality and you HATE the Fairness Doctrine, and that's true of most conservatives, you sort of lost the right to complain when private companies censor you. Either you want government intervening to protect political speech or you don't. Not just when you're the 'victim'. Alternatives aren't on the same level but they're out there.
                              not if they are already receiving federal protections as if they are a public utility. i can complain all i want.
                              Last edited by Kapture1; September 25th, 2018, 06:53 PM.

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                              • DSL

                                I will say that functionally there are differences in various kinds of media. The FD was important when options were very limited both in terms of radio and TV. It was less important with 500 channels. The internet and APIs should, in theory, be even more Wild West. The actual nature of social media isn’t quite like that.

                                I’m not sure if those differences justify a distinction. One federal judge seems to think so. I don’t. Sac up. But there are differences, just as there differences between John Marshall and William Brennan even if both were SC jurists who engaged in judicial review.
                                Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
                                Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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