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  • I doubt she is paying for the attorneys Feinstein hooked her up with almost immediately. That’s a form of compensation.

    BTW, I found her credible. I also found Kav quite credible. But, I think she's been really damaged by Feinstein, at least in the eyes of Rs. The entire handling of this, in their opinion (and mine), comes off as partisan hatchetry at its worse. The cherry on the top was the Avenatti stuff. Senator Graham made that beautifully clear. A man who is rarely that vehement, at least in the public sphere -- and you could feel his very genuine outrage when asked about gang rapes. That's just so motherfucking preposterous.

    Whether they follow through and confirm? -- I don't know. But as much anger as the Ds are feeling about Garland and whatever tangential #MeToo stuff piles on; the Rs were feeling it about the way this went down and the final nuclearization of #MeToo. And Ford, who is credible enough, gets washed up in this -- at least from the R side. And I don't think it's just in DC. One of the few things at least MOST Rs liked about PDJT was that he didn't back down from PC/Press-driven attacks. They feel the game is rigged when it comes to that, and this hits that wheelhouse. They thought another R-dude was about to go quietly into the night and -- then that happened.

    Also, the latest poll from WV had Manchin tied. I don't believe that anymore than David Francis O'Rourke beating Cruz, but I can tell you it would get a lot more uncomfortable for Manchin if he votes against Kav. The same can probably be said for Donnelly.
    Last edited by iam416; September 28th, 2018, 06:59 AM.
    Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
    Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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    • Originally posted by froot loops View Post
      Yeah I'm sure she is getting paid, please. Prove it.
      a combined total of almost 500,000 in go fund me accounts.

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      • Just curious but got a link to the Manchin poll? Must not be one Real Clear Politics tracks

        https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...chin-6258.html

        EDIT: Never mind, found it. Internal poll

        https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...va-senate-race

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        • I go to 538 for polls these days. They rate the pollsters and also provide more polling results: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...ex_cid=irpromo

          Yeah -- it's an internal R poll. I don't buy it for a second. But I do buy that if Manchin votes against then it'll be much closer than he wants.
          Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
          Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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          • It's always interesting to speculate on why internal polls get leaked. My hunch is it's typically a candidate's best or worst internal poll that gets leaked.

            1) Take your worst poll and use it to fund-raise. Sherrod Brown has been doing this a LOT this year.

            2) Take your best poll and use it to tell the base to not lose hope. We're hanging in there!

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            • If you have the law on your side, argue the law; if you have the facts, argue the facts; if you have neither, pound the table.


              As is often said. We saw a hell of a lot of table pounding. All day. This focus on the process is telling. Loophole that allows them to ignore substance, and the Ds did a shit job steering them back to substance. When you combine it with all the rest of the stuff we SHOULD be focusing on, there is a preponderance of evidence the guy's a dirtbag. Nobody disbelieves her, and we know he's been untruthful in the past, so the notion that he's not lying either is quite the trick of magical thinking.

              Kavanaugh warned that what goes around comes around, which was a rich irony since he was a primary player in the search-and-destroy mission of the 90s under Ken Starr. Rich, rich irony. Said we'd suffer from a lack of good people willing to offer themselves up for such positions -- as if that isn't exactly what was happening right there. Say what you will about Scalia, and I'll say plenty, but obviously that man's brain makes Kavanaugh look about as smart and deliberative as Don Jr. Bad liar who sells policy outcomes to pay for "baseball tickets".

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              • rich irony.... leave aside Brett and Ford, you do realize that three women have been absolutely victimized by the Democrats? they could have and should have utilized their means to investigate this anonymously. instead i guess his wife and daughters have to suffer because Brett is a republican and long ago served under Ken Starr. So, who is the fucking dirtbag here?

                i wish that Ford was asked about false memories, as a psychologist. asked if eye witnesses can have false memories. answer is yes. then asked if those that have a false memory, do they know their memory is false. that answer is of course no.
                Last edited by Kapture1; September 28th, 2018, 08:37 AM.

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                • Flake's a yes

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                  • Good points made here:
                    Why Brett Kavanaugh’s Hearings Convinced Me That He’s Guilty

                    By Jonathan Chait@jonathanchait
                    Judge Brett M. Kavanaugh testifying in front of the Senate Judiciary committee regarding sexual-assault allegations. Photo: Erin Schaff - Pool/Getty Images

                    I think Brett Kavanaugh is probably lying about having sexually assaulted Christine Blasey Ford, and many other things, and has decided from the beginning to say what he has to in order to fulfill his career ambition. There is, however, at least some, small chance that he is telling the truth when he professes his innocence. And that small chance gives me some sympathetic human reaction to his emotional testimonial. If he is somehow innocent, as he claims, he has been subject to a horrifying and humiliating ordeal.

                    That, however, does not justify confirming Kavanaugh to a lifelong position on the Supreme Court. He has, for one thing, all but abandoned the posture of impartiality demanded of a judge. A ranting Kavanaugh launched angry, evidence-free charges against Senate Democrats. “The behavior of several of the Democratic members of this committee at my hearing a few weeks ago was an embarrassment. But at least it was just a good old-fashioned attempt at Borking,” he said, using a partisan term invented by Republicans to complain about ideological scrutiny of an extreme judicial nominee. “This whole two-week effort has been a calculated and orchestrated political hit, fueled by pent-up anger over President Trump in the 2016 election.”

                    Why they took this revenge against Kavanaugh, rather than the first justice who was appointed after the 2016 elections, when Democrats’ anger over both the election and the treatment of Merrick Garland ran hotter, he did not say. Kavanaugh does not seem able to imagine even the possibility that Democrats actually believe the women accusing him of sexual assault. He is consumed with paranoid, partisan rage.

                    The method Republicans have used to defend Kavanaugh has consisted of suppressing most of the evidence that could be brought to bear in the hearing, and then complaining about the lack of evidence. “Unless something new comes forward, you have just an emotional accusation and an emotional denial without corroboration,” said Senator Lindsey Graham. Conservative columnist Kimberly Strassel argued, “The standard here isn’t where you ‘look’ or ‘sound’ ‘credible.’ It is whether you provide evidence.”

                    The FBI could investigate the charges – which might not settle the question, but would at least advance the inquiry, and use the threat of perjury to force any witnesses to give straight answers. The Senate could subpoena Kavanaugh’s friend, Mark Judge, an eyewitness to the alleged attack on Ford, and compel him to testify. They have refused repeated pleas to do either.

                    Kavanaugh himself has dodged and weaved on this. In a Fox News interview, he changed the subject when asked about an FBI investigation. He tried to deflect when asked by Senate Democrats, saying he would do whatever the committee wants (knowing full well they do not want the FBI to investigate.) When asked what he wants, Kavanaugh responded with several seconds of damning silence.

                    Kavanaugh deserves due process. So does Christine Blasey Ford. Only one of those people is standing in the way of it.

                    Why do I believe Kavanaugh is lying? The charges are credible, and his accusers are willing to put themselves at risk, with no apparent gain to bring them to the public. Kavanaugh has said too many things that strain credulity for all them to be plausibly true. He almost certainly lied about having had access to files stolen by Senate Republicans back when he was handling judicial nominations in the Bush administration. His explanation that the “Renate Alumni” was not a sexual reference is difficult to square with a fellow Renate Alumnus’s poem ( “You need a date / and it’s getting late / so don’t hesitate / to call Renate”) portraying her as a cheap date. His insistence “boof” and “devil’s triangle” from his yearbook were references to flatulence and a drinking game drew incredulous responses from people his age who have heard these terms. His claim that the “Beach Week Ralph Club” was a reference to a weak stomach seems highly unlikely.

                    The accretion of curious details ultimately overwhelms the small possibility that he is a man wronged. The conviction he summoned is the righteous belief of an adult who feels he should not be denied the career reward due to him by the errors of his youth, and who decided from the outset to close the door to that period in his life. Perhaps he believes he has made amends for his cruelty. I see a liar who has the chance to prove his good faith innocence, and has conspicuously refused.

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                    • I do recall "boof" being a reference to farting. Boff= sex.

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                      • Originally posted by iam416 View Post
                        I doubt she is paying for the attorneys Feinstein hooked her up with almost immediately. That’s a form of compensation.

                        BTW, I found her credible. I also found Kav quite credible. But, I think she's been really damaged by Feinstein, at least in the eyes of Rs. The entire handling of this, in their opinion (and mine), comes off as partisan hatchetry at its worse. The cherry on the top was the Avenatti stuff. Senator Graham made that beautifully clear. A man who is rarely that vehement, at least in the public sphere -- and you could feel his very genuine outrage when asked about gang rapes. That's just so motherfucking preposterous.

                        Whether they follow through and confirm? -- I don't know. But as much anger as the Ds are feeling about Garland and whatever tangential #MeToo stuff piles on; the Rs were feeling it about the way this went down and the final nuclearization of #MeToo. And Ford, who is credible enough, gets washed up in this -- at least from the R side. And I don't think it's just in DC. One of the few things at least MOST Rs liked about PDJT was that he didn't back down from PC/Press-driven attacks. They feel the game is rigged when it comes to that, and this hits that wheelhouse. They thought another R-dude was about to go quietly into the night and -- then that happened.

                        Also, the latest poll from WV had Manchin tied. I don't believe that anymore than David Francis O'Rourke beating Cruz, but I can tell you it would get a lot more uncomfortable for Manchin if he votes against Kav. The same can probably be said for Donnelly.
                        I guess on the Feinstein thing, Ryan Grim said for sure Feinstein's did not leak the information to The Intercept. If you are looking for a person to coordinate a political hit job, Feinstein ain't top of mind. Her wish to keep it quiet because Ford didn't want to come forward is believable.

                        The R-dude going quietly argument would make more sense if it didn't happen to a Vince Foster obsessive nattering on about conspiracies when he was a hatchet man for Ken Starr looking for signs of an affair between Hillary Clinton and Vince Foster. It certainly didn't happen with Gorsuch.
                        Last edited by froot loops; September 28th, 2018, 09:43 AM.

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                        • "A ranting Kavanaugh launched angry, evidence-free charges against Senate Democrats."

                          And he should have.

                          For those that can't perform the mental exercise of being placed into his head, it's not really that hard to imagine. To have your good name destroyed over the last two weeks over the Democrats handling of a allegation where the accuser wished to remain anonymous, to have your family's lives forever harmed and altered, and a ton of bullshit allegations come pouring in that have no credibility and no corroboration, Avenatti with the cherry on top. Then to have to sit in the same room as those responsible for trashing you and your family's lives for 4 hours why they stare you down... your god damn right he has every justification to be angry. The fact that he got out of there yesterday without punching someone out is commendable.


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                          • Originally posted by *JD* View Post
                            I do recall "boof" being a reference to farting. Boff= sex.
                            was boff a sex reference in 1983?
                            was devil's triangle a threesome reference in 1983?



                            earliest origins of those references meaning sex was the early 2000's.

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                            • I guess on the Feinstein thing, Ryan Grim said for sure Feinstein's did not leak the information to The Intercept.
                              They had her hooked with attorneys immediately and taking a lie detector test within a week.

                              The R-dude going quietly argument would make more sense if it didn't happen to a Vince Foster obsessive nattering on about conspiracies when he was a hatchet man for Ken Starr looking for signs of an affair between Hillary Clinton and Vince Foster. It certainly didn't happen with Gorsuch.
                              Whataboutism? Cool.

                              Re Gorsuch, they had no chance to stop that. They couldn't fuck up the works for 2 years. He was still only confirmed 54-45. They have a chance to stop the appointment entirely (Kav or whomever) if they can run some more clock. That's driving everything. EV-REEE-THING.
                              Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
                              Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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                              • Based on the evidence, or lack there of, presented.
                                Rachel Mitchell, the prosecutor who questioned Christine Blasey Ford Thursday at Senate Judiciary Committee, said she wouldn't prosecute Kavanaugh.

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