Miscellaneous And Off Topic Subjects

[Hannibal]

[iam416]

BTW, love seeing the NYT giving the Taliban a platform.

[Dr. Strangelove]

[Dr. Strangelove]

Trump, at a rally in Colorado, decides now's the time to bash "Parasite" for winning Best Picture at the Oscars like 2 weeks ago..."A movie from South Korea??? What the hell was that all about?? Can we get Gone With the Wind back?"

[Dr. Strangelove]

Time feels right for a classic

[Dr. Strangelove]

From a reasonably connected MAGAhead and Alt Righter

[Jeff Buchanan]

If the Gorsuch opinion on this is going to be properly understood, one really has to work at understanding Title VII (The Civil Rights Act as it specifically deals with Equal Opportunity) and exactly what Transgenderism is. It is an understatement that that term is misunderstood.

I don't have a problem with including "Trans" individuals in Title VII as it applies to EO. That's because the scientific evidence is there to support the view that transgenderism is not a capricious life-style choice. It is probably no different than being black because your genetics dictate your skin color. It appears that genetics, among other factors that trans individuals have no control over, determine gender beyond the gender identity that you are assigned, based on the appearance of your gentalia, at birth.

http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2016/gender-lines-science-transgender-identity/

[froot loops]

Hoax! Deep State! Fake News!

[iam416]

I don't have a problem with including "Trans" individuals in Title VII as it applies to EO.

You don't just get to "include" shit in a legislative act. It actually has to be, you know, in the legislation. I have zero problem with reasonable legislation to protect gay folks. But, it ain't in Title VII.

It appears that genetics, among other factors that trans individuals have no control over, determine gender beyond the gender identity that you are assigned, based on the appearance of your gentalia, at birth.

You're not assigned anything. You're born a man or a women.

Hoax! Deep State! Fake News!

So true. The Daily Beast. So fucking true.

[iam416]

And let's look at that Harvard link from Jeff. Shall we.

This is the baseline finding from prior research:

Identical twins have the exact same genetic background, and are usually raised in the same environment. Fraternal (nonidentical) twins, however, share only half their genes, but tend to also be raised in the same environment. Thus, if identical twins tend to share a trait more than fraternal twins, that trait is probably influenced by genetics. Several studies have shown that identical twins are more often both transgender than fraternal twins, indicating that there is indeed a genetic influence for this identity. So, what genes might be responsible?

So, the disparity in whether maternal twins BOTH share GID traits vs. fraternal twins suggest that there is a "genetic influence" in this regard. Genetic influence is remarkably soft -- it's obviously not a hard-wired genetic absolute -- like hair color. It's merely an "influence." And here's why -- let's look at the study cited above for this existing research:

Combining data from our independent findings with those from past research, 13 of 39 male MZ twin pairs (33.3%) were found to be concordant for transsexual identity and eight of 25 (22.8%) female MZ twins were found concordant. In comparison, concordance between either male or female DZ twins was low or zero (1/38 = 2.6%; Table 5)

And...

These findings are consistent with those reported previously (M. Diamond, 2011b; M. Diamond & Hawk, 2004) and comparable to those found in familial studies and reports of cooccurrence of gender identity disorder within families as reported by others. In a report that appeared while this paper was in press, Heylens et al. (2012) reported that of 23 MZ female and male twins they reviewed, nine were concordant for gender identity disorder (GID; 39%These findings suggest a role for genetic factors in the development of GID

So, this previous study found that there was merely minimal concordance for GID amongst fraternal twins (2.8% and 0% in an earlier study). They found that maternal twin concordance was at 33.3% which was similar to the earlier study of 39%. So, there is some genetic influence based on the RELATIVE difference.

However, in ABSOLUTE terms concordance was roughly 30-35% combined. That means that if one maternal twin dude was trans that there was a 64% chance the other dude was NOT trans. Whereas, e.g., if one maternal twin is black there is a 0% chance the other maternal twin is NOT black.

So, this statement is dead ass wrong:

It is probably no different than being black because your genetics dictate your skin color.

I'm sure is also a "role for genetic factors" in, say, whether you like Broadway shows or not. But, at least from the above link, the most anyone can say about being trans is that there is some sort of genetic role. Like a lot of things. The flip side of that is that you can there some sort of personal choice role. Like a lot of things.

Again, I'm more than likely willing to vote for sensible anti-discrimination protections for trans folks -- certainly in employment matters. I'm probably not going to be on-board with the notion that "pronoun mislabeling" is hate speech or that trans dudes should be able to dominate chick sports. But, overall, sure. However, let's not lose our fucking minds here and compare trans to actual immutable traits.

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[iam416]

Anyone who has spent any appreciable amount of time enduring the depravity of The Wizard is well-acquainted with hermaphrodites. That's an interesting quandary, though, if you're gonna make that particular decision and make it early.

99.7% of the time we can (according the Harvard study, 0.3% are trans). However, for the other 0.3% -- no. The problem is what do we consider gender? Is it immutable? Are there over 50+ genders?

But, it's worth reiterating that this particular culture war is over 0.3% (roughly) of the population. It's like caring very deeply about the outcome of the Akron-Ball State CFB game. I'm sure it matters to the few dozens fans in the stands, but to the rest of the CFB World, who the fuck cares? (unless you're fading the historically shitball Zips).

[iam416]

One --- the South American pygmy monkey analogy doesn't really work if you're unfamiliar. I'm sure it works for Strangelove, but my family was not a National Geographic family.

Two -- I can't imagine The Wizard encased in a Thai Lady Boy frame. I can imagine him encased in portly to obese farmer frame -- what you and your kind refer to as "a bear" -- I believe.

Three -- otherwise, correct.

Four -- GFY

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