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  • Here's your morning summary:

    Economic statisticians are coming to grips with the impact of C-19 on the US and global economy - no one is spared and no one is going to come out of this without significant long term economic and social damage. Global stock markets are reacting. Governments will step up but there will be limits to their ability to sustain fiscal and monetary stimulus.

    Will this pose a risk of social unrest and violence? On the global scene, yes with countries flexing their muscles in what are known as "opportunistic acts." Notably, in April, the Chinese sailed their flag-ship aircraft carrier through the Miyako Strait between Taiwan and Japan, an “opportunistic” act “almost calculated to contrast with the plight of the stricken Roosevelt.

    I don't think there is any doubt that the C-19 pandemic here in the US has contributed to the violence of protests - more "opportunistic acts" - by various shapes and colors of domestic terror groups. I would not doubt that foreign powers are involved, if only marginally through social media, stirring up doubt, confusion and anti-government, law enforcement sentiment.

    Dangerous times.

    On COVID, I've had a hard time reconciling both the C-19 messaging coming from officials at the federal, state and local levels with things I hear, see or read. You hear reports ranging from the dire consequences meme to we're fine. I'm leaning to the we're fine but it's getting hard to both buy and sell that take. I remain optimistic but less so. Why? The fucking idiot crowd. Here's my take on C-19:
    • There's community spread in the US after months of mitigating most of it. Compared to Europe and Asia, states in the US that are seeing increasing new case #s and accelerating GR - and I'm finding these mostly reported in the important context I've spoken of - we're not doing well.
    • I attribute this to increasing social contact and lack of compliance with masking and distancing in affected states. Reporters have written some solid stuff on this in S. FL. Won't go into in detail but the idiot factor when it comes to acting responsibly when out in public is high.
    • While I hear the dire consequences stuff with hospital capacity, unless hospital administrators are flat out lying - and I don't think they are - increased case #s and admissions are being handled. I've not heard one of them or any MD say when asked, "we're overwhelmed" ...... far from it. Comments are more likely to indicate we are better prepared and equipped for this.
    • Any time Fauci speaks publicly, even though he is very measured and balanced, journalists lean on every word reading way more bad connotations into what he says than I am absolutely positive he intends.
    • You know this: the picture of the newly infected seeking care after a + RT-PCR swab for C-19 or flu like symptoms in the ED is "under 40, overweight and with diabetes." Right from the mouth of a Houston ED Doc.
    • Testing is way up nationally and that'good but so are percent +s. After a weekend of partying and disregard for masking and distancing, young people are hitting the test sites in droves, showing up +, don't develop serious symptoms, don't seek care and, even though they are told to quarantine, probably won't. That's for a lot of reasons, one of them being tracking and enforcement in the US ....... not happening like it is elsewhere where the flare-ups on reopening are milder.
    • The unanswered question: Will this wave of new cases, primarily among young people with about the same % of serious illness as usual (around 10% depending on how this is reported and counted), increase deaths (now < 5%) and the need for critical care. That's defined as specialized care of patients whose conditions are life-threatening and who require comprehensive care and constant monitoring, usually in intensive care units. Also known as intensive care.
    • I'd like to see the PH statisticians start to publish this kind of information. I think it's out there and state and local policy makers have it. The verdict is things are not terrible. That explains why, in the face of the dire consequences meme from the press, mixed messaging and the BS on social media, aside from slowing of reopening and most locals now mandating masks in indoor public spaces, nobody is talking about shuttering.
    Oh, and forget about getting infected with SARS-CoV-2 by "toilet plumes." Unlikely if not flat out rare and not worth worrying about. More unwarranted fear tactics.
    Last edited by Jeff Buchanan; June 25, 2020, 09:43 AM.
    Mission to CFB's National Championship accomplished. JH chased Saban from Alabama and caused Day, at the point of the OSU AD's gun, to make major changes to his staff just to beat Michigan. Love it. It's Moore!!!! time

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    • Governor Abbott issued an order this morning telling hospitals in Dallas, Austin, San Antonio, and Houston to perform no elective procedures until further notice



      May have also heard that Nevada has made wearing masks in casinos mandatory

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      • This is so simple ....... wear a mask. This is an email sent from a long time USMC friend of mine who is currently a practicing pediatrician in CA:

        To my friends, acquaintances, and former patients.

        In the last month I have heard many reasons for wearing or not wearing face masks during this pandemic. The most concerning reason, to me is, it is a violation of their “RIGHTS” to be ordered to wear a mask. Every day you can see articles that are confusing about this politically divisive issue. There are experts that are either pro or con on mask wearing!

        Very simply, this viral infection will behave like all other viruses. A person gets exposed and then the virus will settle into the upper airway linings. If the virus successfully invades the host patient it starts to reproduce inside of the cells it occupies. When these cells rupture the infection of the host begins. Scientists are not clear on when the host patient becomes communicable to others. Typically, many viruses are just that a day or so before the host patient develops symptoms.

        The issue with masks that are not N95 is people think they protect you from catching a virus. The cloth masks and paper masks are simply a sign of respect and courtesy. They do not, repeat, do not prevent you from catching a virus.

        If you are a person who is incubating the virus and are getting ready to develop symptoms, you will have no idea if you are going to be sick. Thus, let us just say, a day before you become ill you are shedding the virus. How can you protect others? The answer is amazingly simple. Wearing a mask prevents when you exhale a healthy majority of viral and other bad things, and thus not spread to others in your immediate vicinity.

        Please wear a mask as a sign to others you care about them not catching what you unwittingly may be developing.


        Robert Eldon Ryan III M.D.
        Mission to CFB's National Championship accomplished. JH chased Saban from Alabama and caused Day, at the point of the OSU AD's gun, to make major changes to his staff just to beat Michigan. Love it. It's Moore!!!! time

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        • This is so simple ....... wear a mask.
          Correct. Ohio has seen a modest increase in cases. If it gets bad my guess is we won't see a "re-closing" but we will see an order that requires masks for any indoor establishment.

          But, it really is that simple.
          Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
          Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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          • I feel like I am watching the destruction of our democracy while my neighbors and friends cheer it on

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            • The Narrative, no matter how wrong, cannot be wrong. Ever.

              We're into straight Orwellian shit.
              Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
              Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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              • When will the movie White Men Can't Jump be taken off all streaming media? I'm highly offended by this. Nevermind that it's true...it's not our fault we are non elevating cracker honkies...
                Shut the fuck up Donny!

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                • Originally posted by THE_WIZARD_ View Post
                  When will the movie White Men Can't Jump be taken off all streaming media? I'm highly offended by this. Nevermind that it's true...it's not our fault we are non elevating cracker honkies...
                  Or all the reruns of "The Jeffersons", where the character "George" spends entire episodes ripping on white people.

                  but white people should be able to 'take' that kind of humor because its 'funny'
                  "What you're doing, speaks so loudly, that I can't hear what you are saying"

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                  • White lives don't matter Liney...you and your descendants and ilk owned slaves 160 years ago...get with the damn program...

                    hello
                    Shut the fuck up Donny!

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                    • Shit ton of state polls out today, overwhelmingly positive for Biden. But the Fox state polls that came out late today may be the worst for Trump of all

                      Florida: Biden +9
                      North Carolina: Biden +2
                      Georgia: Biden +2
                      Texas: Biden +1

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                      • And if you explore the Fox poll you'll see that Republican John Cornyn is up 10 point on whatever Dem will be running against him. That knocks down the "this lying poll just sampled too many Dems!" argument that the ignorant and denialists love to advance.

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                        • I wouldn't have thought so last year at this time, but now, I do believe that Biden is going to slip into the WH come November.

                          I know that gives folks like Strangelove the giddy goosebumps, but if you think Trump is bad, wait until Stacy Abrams or Karmala Harris becomes President about a year into Biden's term.

                          I wonder if they'll give me a choice where to send me, when "we send those white folks back to where they came from". I'm English, Scottish and German. My wife is English and French-Canadian descent. Maybe the government will force us to get a divorce when they send her to Montreal, and me to Munich?
                          "What you're doing, speaks so loudly, that I can't hear what you are saying"

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                          • Nothing. No one is worse than Trump. No one.
                            I feel like I am watching the destruction of our democracy while my neighbors and friends cheer it on

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                            • We'll see how you feel about a year after President Stacey Abrams takes office.
                              "What you're doing, speaks so loudly, that I can't hear what you are saying"

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                              • If Biden picks Abrams I will absolutely abstain. But, he’s not going to do that. Abrams awful, but she’s also incompetent. He’s far more likely to pick someone with the political acumen to drive the socialist agenda home.
                                Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
                                Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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