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  • lineygoblue
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    Originally posted by THE_WIZARD_ View Post
    1. Vaccinated people are testing positive. Undeniable.

    2. You are not factoring in natural immunity which is more effective in resisting Covid. Undeniable.

    3. They are now advocating mask wearing even if vaxed? Wtf? Undeniable.

    4. Covid survival rate is still 99.6% Undeniable.

    5. We are letting thousands of unvaxed illegals across our border with no outcry? Wtf? Undeniable.

    You are a moron. Undeniable.
    Number five is particularly interesting. The thousands of unvaxed illegals are welcomed with open arms, but unvaxed House members are threatened with fines and arrests. And the mandatory vaccine being forced on House members is the same "trump vaccine" that Dems were so opposed to about a year ago. And, its the same vaccine that Mr CGVT says to get, so that the pandemic will go away. But yet, all the progress in researching, developing and distributing those vaccines all happened under Donald Trump.

    Does getting the vaccine make us "trumpsters"?

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  • THE_WIZARD_
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    1. Vaccinated people are testing positive. Undeniable.

    2. You are not factoring in natural immunity which is more effective in resisting Covid. Undeniable.

    3. They are now advocating mask wearing even if vaxed? Wtf? Undeniable.

    4. Covid survival rate is still 99.6% Undeniable.

    5. We are letting thousands of unvaxed illegals across our border with no outcry? Wtf? Undeniable.

    You are a moron. Undeniable.

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  • THE_WIZARD_
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    You are a certified moron.

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  • CGVT
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    Hasn't changed. The quickest way to get back to normal is to get the fucking shot.

    It's undeniable.

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  • THE_WIZARD_
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    Originally posted by Tom W View Post

    That sort of chatter is about three months back in the running narrative. We're on to it and the architects of fear have gone on to a couple more tricks since then.
    Bingo.

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  • Jeff Buchanan
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    Hanni, TBC, I have no problem with your's or the Wiz's stand on vaccination. None. That's because those stands are both exceedingly well reasoned positions to take as well as accommodating your particular circumstances. You two and I suspect many others, have the science and the facts on the ground in hand.

    If you'll recall, I posted earlier about an Economist article that opined the best bang for the buck in getting the folks vaccinated would be among the health education illiterate. Neither of you guys are among that group.

    My "face palm' on the messaging this sort of "resistance" imparts is aimed not at the group of unvaxed you are in but rather those incapable of being informed and then doing the kind of reasoning you have obviously done..... and there are a shit-ton of them, all stripes. They are probably convincible, or maybe not. Worth a try.

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  • CGVT
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    Originally posted by Jeff Buchanan View Post
    About this time of day on the weekends, I'll check the FL DoH's Weekly COVID Report. This week's report has some interesting numbers. The CDC with everyone freaking out about it has identified hot spots in the US for COVID "surges." FL is one of them. It also may soon lead the US in precipitous drops in new case numbers ..... but this won't get any press. If FL's numbers go down like they mysteriously have in India first and now the UK, it will follow a similar pattern that is emerging every where this happens. Steep rises followed by precipitous declines ..... ALL WITHOUT ANY NEW MITIGATION MEASURES. In fact, Boris Johnson cancelled all mitigation measures in the UK on July 19th. Cases plummeted. India did NOTHING. Cases plummeted. NB, the UK has a high vax rate, India does not. That can't explain the near identical drops in new case numbers.

    It's early but this is a snap shot of FL's vax rates and new case numbers for the previous week (7/23-7/29. I've highlighted Broward (PEV) and Dade (POM) counties. Vax rates have jumped considerably from 3 weeks ago - like 20% or more. Note that these two counties also have the highest vax rates state wide and also have the lowest (below the state average) % positives. These are down a lot from a week ago.

    Note also % positives in these two counties is declining and by a lot.

    What these two metrics portend is herd immunity is being approached in S. FL counties with high vax rates. Those with low vax rates are in COVID's cross hairs - look at their % positives. Correlation couldn't be any clearer.

    I'm predicting steep declines in new case numbers over the next two weeks in FL and especially these two counties.

    Percent Positive.PNG
    So once again, if you want this shit to stop, get the fucking shot.

    And this truly is undeniable.

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  • Hannibal
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    BTW — I didn’t realize this until recently, but Covid “hospitalization” statistics include people who test positive for Covid from routine hospital screenings. That means that if you get a test before your knee surgery and you are positive, you are counted as a “hospitalization” case even with no symptoms.

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  • Jeff Buchanan
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    About this time of day on the weekends, I'll check the FL DoH's Weekly COVID Report. This week's report has some interesting numbers. The CDC with everyone freaking out about it has identified hot spots in the US for COVID "surges." FL is one of them. It also may soon lead the US in precipitous drops in new case numbers ..... but this won't get any press. If FL's numbers go down like they mysteriously have in India first and now the UK, it will follow a similar pattern that is emerging every where this happens. Steep rises followed by precipitous declines ..... ALL WITHOUT ANY NEW MITIGATION MEASURES. In fact, Boris Johnson cancelled all mitigation measures in the UK on July 19th. Cases plummeted. India did NOTHING. Cases plummeted. NB, the UK has a high vax rate, India does not. That can't explain the near identical drops in new case numbers.

    It's early but this is a snap shot of FL's vax rates and new case numbers for the previous week (7/23-7/29. I've highlighted Broward (PEV) and Dade (POM) counties. Vax rates have jumped considerably from 3 weeks ago - like 20% or more. Note that these two counties also have the highest vax rates state wide and also have the lowest (below the state average) % positives. These are down a lot from a week ago.

    Note also % positives in these two counties is declining and by a lot.

    What these two metrics portend is herd immunity is being approached in S. FL counties with high vax rates. Those with low vax rates are in COVID's cross hairs - look at their % positives. Correlation couldn't be any clearer.

    I'm predicting steep declines in new case numbers over the next two weeks in FL and especially these two counties.

    Percent Positive.PNG
    Last edited by Jeff Buchanan; July 31, 2021, 12:25 PM.

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  • Hannibal
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    Originally posted by Jeff Buchanan View Post

    Face palm.......

    TBC, I'm a proponent of choice in the vaccination debate but for those who don't have natural immunity from a previous infection (verified by a positive AB test) it is getting hard to defend not getting the shots. Your congressional representatives are a different lot.

    They get press and the messaging sent via positions like this isn't helpful at all.
    It’s an act of defiance. It’s not my thing, but I get it. Massive amounts of people have lost faith in politicized institutions and are sick of rhetoric and feaongering from incompetent ideologues. Nobody knows what the long term effects of mRNA vaccines will be. If you do not have any Covid-19 risk factors, then it’s not crazy to think that the vaccine can do more harm than good. Add on top of it the talk of forcing people to get the vaccine (from the “my body, my choice crowd BTW) and you give millions of people a reason to resist it.

    it took us years to figure out that thalidomide caused birth defects. There are unknown risks with new medicines.

    Anyone schooled in history and civics should recognize the threat posed by vaccine mandates. If somebody can force you to take a shot, what else can they force you to do, now that we have already given health care beauracrats the power to lock people in their homes and shut down businessss?
    Last edited by Hannibal; July 31, 2021, 12:29 PM.

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  • lineygoblue
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    Originally posted by Dr. Strangelove View Post
    And for the record the Capitol Physician (not Pelosi) made the call for the House members to wear masks again. I'm guessing he did so because, for one, the House is a lot more crowded than the Senate. And two, the Senate is almost 100% vaccinated. I think Rand Paul is the only holdout and he's got natural immunity. In the House 40%-50% of Republicans refuse to even tell anyone if they've gotten the shot.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cap...g-mask-mandate
    But Pelosi is the one threatening fines and arrests.

    I know I'm in the minority here when it comes to personal liberty and "mah freedumbs", .. but I still see being vaccinated as the equal of wearing seat belts while driving. If I wear my seat belt, I'm protected much better during a crash than an unbelted driver. Alcohol use and smoking can have bad effects on a person's health, but people are still allowed to drink and smoke. Even smoking pot can have negative effects on a person's health, but yet its use is being legalized all over the country.

    For now, people still have the right to mess up their lives, if that's what they choose.

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  • lineygoblue
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    But yet the reason (or so we're told) that Joe Biden is sitting in the WH today, is because of the overwhelming numbers of minority voters in large cities.

    So the numbers are huge when we're talking about votes, but small when we're talking about vax's.

    We haven't heard the last of the mandatory vaccinations for all idea from the Democrats. The trial balloon crashed yesterday, but it will be back.

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  • Jeff Buchanan
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    In the House 40%-50% of Republicans refuse to even tell anyone if they've gotten the shot.
    Face palm.......

    TBC, I'm a proponent of choice in the vaccination debate but for those who don't have natural immunity from a previous infection (verified by a positive AB test) it is getting hard to defend not getting the shots. Your congressional representatives are a different lot.

    They get press and the messaging sent via positions like this isn't helpful at all.

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  • Dr. Strangelove
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    And for the record the Capitol Physician (not Pelosi) made the call for the House members to wear masks again. I'm guessing he did so because, for one, the House is a lot more crowded than the Senate. And two, the Senate is almost 100% vaccinated. I think Rand Paul is the only holdout and he's got natural immunity. In the House 40%-50% of Republicans refuse to even tell anyone if they've gotten the shot.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cap...g-mask-mandate

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  • Dr. Strangelove
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    Originally posted by lineygoblue View Post

    All very true. The fear monkeys need to keep this thing going, and associate the 'bad guys' with Trump/Trump supporters. But facts betray them. Some of the most resistant people to the vaccines are inner city and minorities, which overwhelmingly vote Democrat. See Detroit/Wayne County.

    And irony doesn't end there. I remember Trump taking a lot of heat from 'experts' who criticized him for "Operation Warp Speed". Trump basically said "sic 'em" to the drug companies, and voila .. here we have three effective vaccines. The critics said Trump was 'moving too fast" .. and 'not following the science". Even Future President Kamala said she'd REFUSE to take any vaccine developed under Warp Speed.

    Fast forward to August 2021, .. and the Biden administration is hinting at MANDATORY vaccination for ALL. The same vaccines developed under Trump's Warp Speed. (can you imagine the uproar if Trump had hinted at mandatory immunizations?) They floated a trial balloon Friday on that very subject, but very tactfully backed off when even liberals started griping about it. But, that idea will be kept on file. We haven't seen the last of that subject.

    Finally, it was good to see a few Republicans grow a set and rebel against Pelosi's mask mandate in the House. The Senate has no such rule, but the other side of the building does? This is what happens when you allow a feeble woman from California run the House.
    The vaccination rates of people who have received at least one dose (as of the end of June)

    86% -- Democrats
    85% -- Seniors
    72% -- Urban residents
    67% -- White Adults
    61% -- Independents
    60% -- Black Adults
    58% -- White Evangelical Christians
    54% -- Rural residents
    52% -- Republicans

    It's true that whites overall are more vaccinated than blacks. But that's definitely not because of white Republicans. It's because the vaccination rate among white Democrats is very high. And for the people wondering how the rate for Democrats can be so high when the rate among blacks is much lower, it's because blacks are a smaller % of the overall population and Democratic Party than many think

    https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covi...als&stream=top

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