Miscellaneous And Off Topic Subjects

[iam416]

If the election is held under these economic conditions then Biden is the only D that win Ohio.

I think if the economy is still humming Biden may be the only D that win win, period. Still think that's probably wrong, but I'm leaning more and more to it. The reactionary, revolutionary economic policies of most D candidates won't play well if it's still humming along like a motherfucker.

I think Harris could morph back to the center and still win, but Warren and Sanders are committed revolutionaries.

[Ghengis Jon]

The ideal candidate for these troubled times.

https://71republic.com/2019/05/28/vermin-supreme-a-presidential-candidate-for-the-people/

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[Dr. Strangelove]

[iam416]

I think that's probably right. To be clear, my comments on revolutionary economic policies in the face of a very strong economy concern those suburbanite voters that gave the Ds the House in 2018. With regard to your point and that, I think (1) the "passed over" folks aren't switching horses, IMO; and (2) the suburbanites are more than willing to switch horses if you give them a sensible alternative.

[Ghengis Jon]

Emphasizing the geo-political impotence of a leaderless United States, China rattles sabers over Taiwan.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-taiwan-usa/china-warns-of-war-in-case-of-move-toward-taiwan-independence-idUSKCN1UJ07O

[AlabamAlum]

Suicide by cop?

[Ghengis Jon]

I wonder if this is simply an example of the Congressional habit of "I'll-block-the legislation-cuz-the-other-side-supports-it". McConnell demonstrates his anti-American bias by taking the irrational position of nothing more needs to/can be done to prevent foreign election interference.


https://thehill.com/blogs/floor-acti...ller-testimony

[Dr. Strangelove]

Suicide by cop?

Never heard of the phrase?

[AlabamAlum]

Yes, of course, I was asking for details.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Yes, of course, I was asking for details.

[froot loops]

So to bring up other counties in Michigan that swung away from the Republicans in 2018...

There were only 8 counties in Michigan that voted for Clinton in 2016:

Wayne, Oakland, & Washtenaw (Detroit/Ann Arbor)
Ingham (Lansing)
Genesee (Flint)
Kalamazoo
Muskegon
Marquette

Whitmer and Stabenow carried all of those counties plus additional ones that had voted for Trump in 2016. Two counties went for Whitmer but not Stabenow: Bay (Bay City) & Clinton (Lansing suburbs)

Another seven voted for both Whitmer & Stabenow, but Trump in 2016:

Macomb (Detroit suburbs)
Kent (Grand Rapids)
Saginaw
Eaton (Lansing suburbs)
Isabella (Mount Pleasant)
Leelanau (Outside Traverse City)
Gogebic (Westernmost UP)

These are a combination of traditional Dem areas plus some suburbs sprinkled in. What's unclear is how much was a reaction to Trump and how much was reaction to specific Republican candidates.

Maomb and Kent are the two most significant.

Macomb went from Trump +11 to Whitmer +3, Stabenow +2. Kent went from Trump +3 to Whitmer +4, Stabenow +2

You can pour over county data, but the big picture for Michigan at least is if the GOP and Democrats are equally engaged in a statewide election the Democrats are going to be the favorites. There's more of them. One of the issues with Clinton losing Michigan was they didn't give the Wayne County machine enough autonomy and it showed up in a depressed turnout. I live in Oakland County and sat in an hour long line early in the morning. At the time I parked my car downtown Detroit atop the Cobo Roof, which is where Wayne County counts the votes and it did not appear like there was any activity. From what I read in 2018 they gave Duggan autonomy and turnout was much better, but he wasn't dealing with a presidential campaign.

[CGVT]

No loss.

[Dr. Strangelove]

The fuck is this shit?

[Ghengis Jon]

Something more important than Russia's continued election meddling?

[Dr. Strangelove]

Something more important than Russia's continued election meddling?

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