US Politics - 2020 Presidential Election - GOP v Dem cage fight (ENTER AT YOUR PERIL)

[Nick Pappageorgio]

All I know is when I see my dad I have to say.....“let’s turn that shit off and watch a movie or something”.

Agree chemi....all of the opinion panel shows (CNN, Fox, all of them)....you might as well be watching The View. Intelligent debate that could end in compromise doesn’t get good ratings.....idiots yelling at each other is why sponsors buy ads

[TheLondonLion]

Deb.....I don’t subscribe to either party’s madness.

but just the fact that you pass off anything you might see on Fox News as “fabricated....blah..blah”.....means that you’ve bought, whole hog, the left’s message.

everything I listed there are legit concerns of right-sided folks. Like it or not....and sure Fox News exaggerates them (just like CNN does against the “racist“ right). but instead of trying to understand why these are legit concerns To right-minded folks......the first thing you try to do is minimize these concerns like they’re just crazy.

and if these persons attempt any continued debate about why these “fabricated, exaggerated” things scare them.....well then the lefties will just call them racist.

Can I Ask how does your party of choice....put a bunch of anti-semitic socialist women on the cover of time magazine with the title of “shaping the future”. And you’re acting like Fox News made this up? Like it shouldn’t be a real concern? I’ll start by guessing you’re not Jewish.

There is no debate as to if those women (Pelosi excluded) are socialists or anti-semitic

They’re high profile, low ranking Congresswomen.

I don’t like Ilhan Omar or AOC a single bit, but the only one that I’m aware that has engaged in explicit anti-Semitism is Omar.

Feel free to prove me wrong if you have some proof otherwise.

Whataboutery about 4 Congresswomen doesn’t change the fact that Trump is retweeting supporters screaming “white power”, completely ignoring a pandemic that has killed 130,000 Americans (the empathy of a house brick) and regularly engages in race baiting as the leader of the free world.

[chemiclord]

I guess you could TRY to argue that Ocasio-Cortez's rhetoric towards AIPAC is anti-Semitic... if you want to consider a lobby operated by blatant foreign interest as representing Judaism.

The only other things that I can think of is that they've said Israel's treatment of the Palestinians toes the line with genocide, which I could accept is hyperbole, but far too comfortably close to the truth for my tastes. To say Israel has treated the Palestinian people horribly would be one of the top ten understatements of the century.

(And yes, I know there are Palestinian terrorist groups. It's still been a long history of disproportionate response on Israel's part.)

[TheLondonLion]

Now Trump is tweeting Q Anon memes. I never thought I’d see the day the leader of the free world was openly courting white supremacists and wackos ignoring probably the worst public health crisis in a century running riot on his watch.

America is the richest, most advanced country on planet earth. Coronavirus is destroying the country because you have a cancer in the Oval Office.

I’m generally a Conservative voter in the UK, centre right. I’d never dream of voting for that piece of shit snake oil salesman. Save yourselves in November because your President is making you look like a laughing stock.

America is better than this.

[foxhopper]

The guy has quit and wants no part of another 4 years.

[chemiclord]

He might not WANT to, but at the same time he knows the Presidency is the only thing keeping him out of a jail cell.

[Futureshock]

but just the fact that you pass off anything you might see on Fox News as “fabricated....blah..blah”.....means that you’ve bought, whole hog, the left’s message.

everything I listed there are legit concerns of right-sided folks. Like it or not....and sure Fox News exaggerates them (just like CNN does against the “racist“ right). but instead of trying to understand why these are legit concerns

And you've bought whole hog into the right. You can try and state your in the middle but every last word and statement proves differently.

Quick question, let's say a fellow is a card carrying member of the KKK. Is he going to vote for a Republican or a Democrat? Why is that Nick? And lastly, why should I vote for any person that seeks to implore and strengthen systems built to suppress me?

I have no deep love for most Democrats either. They choose to use AA to be elected and then we get no substantive efforts from them. They do not seem to have any real agenda aside from generalities that lead to dysfunction. They allow their compatriots to box them in and beat them to the punch time after time.

But be clear, I will vote for a person who will appease me 100% of the time over someone who will appease my enemies.

And I have voted locally for Republicans that do not appease racists or racist rhethoric like "What about blacks killing blacks?" "They are lazy." "They are dirty."

THE ROOT CAUSE OF RACISM IS GENERALIZATION. Without generalizing racism dies away.
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IDK if this should be in the Coronovirus thread or not, but I'm stating it here.

There are Republicans. And there are Democrats. And then there is Trump. The biggest pile of crap is how this Pandemic has hurt his re-election. Well, he did that all himself. At the very beginning of all this (2019) if he would have led us through all this with the losing the less amount of life possible. Supporting all states (not just the ones who bleed red), WORE A DAM MASK. Promoted wearing masks and social distancing, etc.... He would have a firm footing to show he is the best commander in chief for this country.

Instead of looking at this as a roadblock, he could have rose to the occasion and capitalized. But unlike every other "Believe-What_I-Say" issue that has come up in his tenure, a Pandemic can't be rhetoric away. It can't be willed away. You can't leave the job un-finished and go back to normal because you're tired of it. You deal with it until it is finished or contained.

[Nick Pappageorgio]

Here was a big thing with the anti semitism stuff....a few years ago when Omar, Talib, and AOC made outwardly anti-Semitic statements.

The following week 2 democratic (and Jewish) members of the house put up a symbolic bill denouncing anti-semitism and Jewish racism....these are largely symbolic bills and have been passed denouncing racism against AA/Latinx communities on several occasions.

Within a few days time Pelosi had to scramble and change the bill to include hate against “all races”.....this is because many Democratic members were not going to vote in favor of a bill denouncing anti-semitism. It would have passed....but it was going to be an embarrassment to the Democratic Party (GOP members were very supportive of the bill) so they changed it for PR purposes.

I’m sure to non-Jews this isn’t a big deal....but it says a lot to me. The House of Representatives looked at the Jewish version of a Black lives Matter bill and proudly stood up and said “all lives matter”.......but I keep hearing that that’s a racist minimization of BLM, and that’s just when people say it on TV or in public.....the Democratic Party endorsed it, voted on it, and made it law on the floor of the House.

I wish this type of shit was an isolated incident....but anti-Jewish sentiment has been on the rise for a few years now (and especially within the Democratic Party). Say what you will.....but when that GOP senator said those racist things, the GOP isolated him and moved him off important committees. When Omar said all the things she said....the Democratic Party put her on Ways and Means and on the cover of Time Magazine (The “Future”).


Questioning of “duel loyalties”...... questioning Jewish political rights/standing.....this is how it starts.... it’s how Hitler and countless others have started it.

and as usual no one said a word....This train is never late

[Nick Pappageorgio]

And you've bought whole hog into the right. You can try and state your in the middle but every last word and statement proves differently.

Quick question, let's say a fellow is a card carrying member of the KKK. Is he going to vote for a Republican or a Democrat? Why is that Nick? And lastly, why should I vote for any person that seeks to implore and strengthen systems built to suppress me?

I have no deep love for most Democrats either. They choose to use AA to be elected and then we get no substantive efforts from them. They do not seem to have any real agenda aside from generalities that lead to dysfunction. They allow their compatriots to box them in and beat them to the punch time after time.

But be clear, I will vote for a person who will appease me 100% of the time over someone who will appease my enemies.

And I have voted locally for Republicans that do not appease racists or racist rhethoric like "What about blacks killing blacks?" "They are lazy." "They are dirty."

THE ROOT CAUSE OF RACISM IS GENERALIZATION. Without generalizing racism dies away.
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IDK if this should be in the Coronovirus thread or not, but I'm stating it here.

There are Republicans. And there are Democrats. And then there is Trump. The biggest pile of crap is how this Pandemic has hurt his re-election. Well, he did that all himself. At the very beginning of all this (2019) if he would have led us through all this with the losing the less amount of life possible. Supporting all states (not just the ones who bleed red), WORE A DAM MASK. Promoted wearing masks and social distancing, etc.... He would have a firm footing to show he is the best commander in chief for this country.

Instead of looking at this as a roadblock, he could have rose to the occasion and capitalized. But unlike every other "Believe-What_I-Say" issue that has come up in his tenure, a Pandemic can't be rhetoric away. It can't be willed away. You can't leave the job un-finished and go back to normal because you're tired of it. You deal with it until it is finished or contained.

Future you’re wrong....I hate all politicians.

but it’s been my experience that when I say shit like that...lefties say “me too” before spouting the CNN talking point playbook. I’ll go at conservatives the same way.....there just aren’t too many of those around here.

but I can go...and you can continue with you echo chamber of you’d like. I know hearing that opposing POVs might have value/merit is difficult for some to deal with.

when I posted what I posted to Deb...it’s because she was so immediately dismissive of anything she might hear on Fox.....all I was saying is that that door swings both ways.

I have the ability to see and argue both sides of an issue....it pretty much makes me a unicorn these days.

[Futureshock]

Yet you haven't. Again, every argument you stated is slanted one way.

[Nick Pappageorgio]

If there’s a bunch of lefties hanging out on a message board....and I wanna have a debate, you think I should argue both sides?

that’s not how this works.

[Nick Pappageorgio]

I said “I have the ability to see and argue both sides”.....I didn’t say that’s what I was doing right now.

right then I was pointing out a hypocrisy

[wcfwtf]

Nothing wrong with being slanted one way or the other. That describes 99.9 % of people.
I agree with Nick wholeheartedly on this topic.
We are stuck in extremist viewpoints from both sides and for people who may be more liberal on social issues but conservative on government and fiscal issues there really are no political representation for them.
If Tulsi Gabbard would have been able to gain traction She would have had my support.
Our country is in, and headed into some very tough years ahead.
Will be interesting to see how the Milenials and Z generations handle the future political landscape.

[Nick Pappageorgio]

We are stuck in extremist viewpoints from both sides and for people who may be more liberal on social issues but conservative on government and fiscal issues there really are no political representation for them..

yup....but in today’s political landscape you’re not allowed to decide political affiliation issue by issue. You either buy into a party’s line whole-hog or you’re a racist (or an Uncle-Tom). Yet....I don’t feel like that how most people really are.

[CGVT]

OK, Trupsters. Where is the fucking outrage? You know, along the lines of the fervent screams of Benghazi! You bunch of hypocritical fucks

Jim Wright
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So:

Trump says the New York Times story regarding Russia paying bounties to the Taliban for killing American troops is "just another made up by Fake News tale that is told only to damage me and the Republican Party. The secret source probably does not even exist, just like the story itself."

At the very same time Trump was calling the report a total fabrication, Trump's own National Security Advisor was in front of the press saying that the US Intelligence Community DID IN FACT originate the report (directly implying that the source is indeed real and the information came from someone inside National Intelligence) but he didn't brief Trump at the time for whatever reasons. Trump has been "fully briefed" now.

So, which is it?

The story was totally fabricated whole cloth by the New York Times to discredit Trump.

OR

The report originated inside the US Intelligence System, and is an actual assessment even if unverified by collateral intelligence sources, EXACTLY AS THE MEDIA REPORTED.

If the report is completely made up, as Trump says, then what did the National Security Advisor brief Trump ON?

Either Trump is lying, or the National Security Advisor is. There is no other option.

So, which is it?

Americans have both a right and a duty to know one way or the other.

Americans also have a right to a leader who will confront our enemies and demand an accounting, instead of blaming the press for his own repeated failures.