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  • Dr. Strangelove
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    If you're against most first trimester abortions or are in favor of "heartbeat bills" then you're not square in the middle of public sentiment, you're to the right.

    Polling consistently shows a majority of Americans think abortion should be legal in all or most cases and if you restrict it to the first trimester only, support is generally 60% or more. Heck, around a third of Republicans think abortion should be legal in most cases.

    https://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/...n-on-abortion/

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  • lineygoblue
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    And the example of an "all or nothing" approach by the GOP is...?
    Well, the biggie is that I don't think they'll ever get Roe v Wade overturned. I think no matter what, abortion is going to be available. I consider myself to be more of a moderate than radical right, and one reason why is that I feel that there may be a window where an abortion can be performed in cases of rape and incest. I'm talking "zygote" stage, not 7 months along. If a human life, or potential human life is about to be ended, there better be a doggone good reason other than inconvenience. I think a lot of folks on both sides could agree with that. I even found myself agreeing with Bill Clinton when he said "Abortion should be safe, legal and rare". A lot of his supporters didn't like the "rare" part of that. If abortion is going to be legal, then make the procedure as safe as possible, and it should only be done in extreme cases. It shouldn't be a form of routine birth control.

    I also believe moderates could agree on government helping people with special needs, rather than eliminating all government assistance. I think both sides could agree on the US being a strong country militarily, but not the world's policeman.

    I think that's a good start.

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  • Da Geezer
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    Originally posted by lineygoblue View Post
    Jon - I echo what Tom said. I recognized only a handful from your list and unfortunately, when most moderate Democrats' feet are placed to the fire, they run home to the so-called progressive side of their party for comfort and protection. I used to think of Joe as a moderate, but his actions have proven that idea totally wrong.

    I think if the true moderates of both parties banded together, they could isolate the wackos of both, and lead the country to where it really needs to go. This "all or nothing" approach by both parties is getting us nowhere. Nobody should get everything they want.
    And the example of an "all or nothing" approach by the GOP is...?

    That was a useful list, Jon. IMO, Joe Manchin could win but he could never get the Dem nomination because the party establishment (the progs) don't like him. Let's remember that the entire party establishment for the Rs was against Trump in 2016, to no avail. Dems tend to vote in lockstep, Reps not so much. Well over 50% of Dem voters approve of Biden's handling of the Afghan pullout. And, over 80% of Dems are reliant on government largess. That is what socialism promises; equality of outcomes. Now the Dems are talking of a $ 4,500 subsidy for autos build using UAW labor.

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  • lineygoblue
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    Jon - I echo what Tom said. I recognized only a handful from your list and unfortunately, when most moderate Democrats' feet are placed to the fire, they run home to the so-called progressive side of their party for comfort and protection. I used to think of Joe as a moderate, but his actions have proven that idea totally wrong.

    I think if the true moderates of both parties banded together, they could isolate the wackos of both, and lead the country to where it really needs to go. This "all or nothing" approach by both parties is getting us nowhere. Nobody should get everything they want.

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  • Hannibal
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    What incentive do the Democrats have to exile the loony Left when they are constantly succeeding?

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  • Tom W
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    I barely recognize Peters, but that's the problem that the Democrats need to fix, In fact, they can and should fix it, But they won't because they're even more idiotic than the Republicans are. For whatever reason they keep pandering to the far left and/or "token" candidates. They've neglected, and essentially abandoned, the middle road that provided their core support.

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  • Obi-Jon
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    Originally posted by lineygoblue View Post
    ....Trump is going to run for President again, so I guess the Dems are going to have to dig something else up to try and get him disqualified.....
    No, what the Democrats have to do is rally behind someone not named Harris (pretty sure Biden won't run for re-election). Sorry uber left, a Sanders type won't cut it either. Trouble is, moderate Dems for the most part have no name recognition beyond their districts. Here's the list, how many do you recognize?

    Connor Lamb
    Joe Manchin
    Kyrsten Sinema
    Carolyn Bourdeaux
    Ed Case
    Jim Costa
    Jon Tester
    Mark Warner
    Henry Cuellar
    Jared Golden
    Vicente Gonzalez
    Josh Gottheimer
    Kurt Schrader
    Chris Murphy
    Gary Peters


    https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/13/polit...ive/index.html

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  • Dr. Strangelove
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    Anecdotal but this hospital in Portsmouth, Ohio says they're completely overrun with covid cases right now and have no ICUs available. Portsmouth-Ashland, KY-Huntington, WV make up what's traditionally one of the unhealthiest metro areas in America.

    There's a big VA in Chillicothe about an hour north but I don't know if ordinary members of the public are allowed to admitted into those. If not patients from down there may start being shipped to the Columbus or Cincinnati areas.

    https://www.nbc4i.com/news/southern-...s-at-capacity/

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  • lineygoblue
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    That picture showing Trump with the cops also brings up another interesting point.

    Those cops don't seem very upset that Trump supposedly encouraged an 'insurrection' and that he incited people to target cops.

    Trump is going to run for President again, so I guess the Dems are going to have to dig something else up to try and get him disqualified.

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  • Jeff Buchanan
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    My post last week regarding legal barriers and outcomes to Biden's vaccine mandate lacked depth. This is a very well put together piece at Vox that deals with these.

    https://www.vox.com/22666625/biden-v...titution-legal

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  • lineygoblue
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    Those cops are obviously insurrectionists, and paid by the Moonies.

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  • Kapture1
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    not the only thing he did yesterday

    jjokbN84.jpg

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  • Dr. Strangelove
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    Calling a 90-second fight between has-beens wasn't the only thing Trump got up to yesterday. He also pre-recorded a message for the Moonie Cult that were holding a conference.

    He's pricey but he'll probably do a Cameo for your grandkid if anyone's interested. Maybe even fly in for the birthday party if you're really willing to break the bank.

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  • Dr. Strangelove
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    Belfort was originally supposed to fight Oscar de la Hoya last night in California but Oscar got covid two weeks ago and Holyfield said he would do it. The California boxing commission refused to sanction a fight involving a 58 year old man on 10 days notice so they moved it to Florida. The Florida commission happily approved the fight because money talks. Holyfield barely made it half a round before losing by TKO, landed one blow, and looked just awful. Naturally the Trumps had gotten involved. Donnie Jr. was urging people to buy the fight on PPV because his dad was going to reveal secrets about Area 51 on the air. Dunno if that happened.

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  • Mike
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    Salient point.

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