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  • I read an article claiming there are thousands of businesses, some of them with high market caps, more that are small to mid-sized businesses, that do not have the cash or availability to credit needed to go much longer than 30d. That's somewhere around May 15th. After that, these companies will look for buyers and when there aren't any (more likely than not), they'll liquidate and declare.

    I don't like to deal with the downsides of this thing but the elephant in the room is the potential collapse of the supply chain - and I mean that in the broadest sense of that term in the context of the global economy. Pretty frightening thing.

    There's another sector that is terribly vulnerable to significant contraction, possibly collapse: Public and private colleges and universities. With tuition, room and board fees evaporating overnight, these institutions are hemorrhaging cash - I don't care how wonderfully endowed they are. We're talking about daily, general operating expenses associated with salaries and upkeep. You hae to wonder about tenured high end professors in the sciences and medicine pulling down quarter million or more annual salaries. There is going to have to be some serious lightening of the load. Jobs will be lost and won't be regained any time soon.

    One other sector that is struggling: Hospitals and medical services (those not doing COVID related stuff). I know from one inside source that revenue in a relatively small hospital has lost and is loosing $16m a week in revenue. Will the Chief of Neurosergery in that hospital who's pulling down $2m/y be employed in a month? Probably not

    The bottom line for me is that, from my perspective, we're looking at reopening too broadly. It is not you either do it state by state or you don't. I do agree with the national, state and county level gating measures. There has to be an indicator that the various rate measures are trending toward zero and, if the researchers are right about this, below 1.07 and preferably 1.03...... and those rates need to be sustained or if there is a surge, re-established before more easing occurs.

    However, I think hospital services especially are in one of those unique niches where you have to risk a return to some level that produces income or hospitals and their employees, professional and administrative, will start dropping like flies. I'm quite certain there are other businesses that need to be viewed likewise, others, where the risk of re-opening is too high, the cruise industry is on my list of those, don't.

    Mission to CFB's National Championship accomplished. JH chased Saban from Alabama and caused Day, at the point of the OSU AD's gun, to make major changes to his staff just to beat Michigan. Love it. It's Moore!!!! time

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    • Psychopath kills as least 9 people across Nova Scotia while imitating a Mountie. Had a partial uniform and his car was geared up to resemble a police vehicle. Pretty scary stuff

      A gunman killed at least 16 people, including one Mountie, during a weekend shooting rampage in small-town Nova Scotia, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police said.

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      • Nova Scotia must have lax guns laws.

        Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
        Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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          • Damn, over 1800 inmates at the state prison test positive in Marion making them the #1 county in Ohio for cases. No one there has died yet, which is encouraging.

            EDIT: Pickaway County, which is immediately south of Columbus, has also seen a surge in case numbers way out of proportion to its population. That is also because of a state prison.
            Last edited by Dr. Strangelove; April 19, 2020, 07:55 PM.

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            • Originally posted by Jeff Buchanan View Post
              There's another sector that is terribly vulnerable to significant contraction, possibly collapse: Public and private colleges and universities. With tuition, room and board fees evaporating overnight, these institutions are hemorrhaging cash - I don't care how wonderfully endowed they are. We're talking about daily, general operating expenses associated with salaries and upkeep. You hae to wonder about tenured high end professors in the sciences and medicine pulling down quarter million or more annual salaries. There is going to have to be some serious lightening of the load. Jobs will be lost and won't be regained any time soon.
              This might not actually be a bad thing.

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              • Originally posted by Dr. Strangelove View Post
                Damn, over 1800 inmates at the state prison test positive in Marion making them the #1 county in Ohio for cases. No one there has died yet, which is encouraging.

                EDIT: Pickaway County, which is immediately south of Columbus, has also seen a surge in case numbers way out of proportion to its population. That is also because of a state prison.
                I was wondering where the huge jump in cases came from.
                Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
                Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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                • I'm so glad I could experience true socialism in my lifetime...especially as a small biz owner. Something to tell the grandkids...looking forward to it.

                  Yes JB...most biz owners I know have less than about 3 weeks of cash left even with the PPP money...which helps very little. Try borrowing money now.
                  Shut the fuck up Donny!

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                    • DSL, from your perspective, how are US shale companies planning for the mid to long term (i.e., 12-18 months out)?

                      The COVID thing is such a weird circumstance across all business/economic sectors. We don't know if best case will obtain and demand will suddenly tick back up (obviously not to pre COVID levels) or specific industries/sectors will simply collapse, liquidate and be gone until they can reestablish at some point in 2022 (after a vaccine is widely available - and works).

                      Subject change: this web site is pretty interesting. Just released to the public this morning. It uses a rate factor that the developers call Rt. It is a hybrid of R0 that takes into account time. It reports R0 in real time (and I assume per 24h period) rate of decline (or increase) in the number of people each infected person can infect. Whne Rt is < 0 you're making progress, when it''s > 0 you're losing ground.

                      I see lots of potential for this data to be used in meaningful ways with regard to re-opening or re-tightening decisions. Ostensibly the data is available down to the county level but not at this link. The link is truncated (paste it in your browser)

                      Up-to-date values for Rt — the number to watch to measure COVID spread.


                      Edit: I think the link is good now.
                      Last edited by Jeff Buchanan; April 20, 2020, 07:37 AM.
                      Mission to CFB's National Championship accomplished. JH chased Saban from Alabama and caused Day, at the point of the OSU AD's gun, to make major changes to his staff just to beat Michigan. Love it. It's Moore!!!! time

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                      • I hate to see anyone go bust, but the shale gas and such will still be there. When it's cost-effective again, someone will get it out. That's the way things work. Well, unless the Ds ban fracking, which is obviously on their agenda.
                        Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
                        Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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                        • I don't have as much direct knowledge of the E&P side as I used to but in talking with people at one of my old companies they are shutting in a lot of wells. Like a LOT of them. Especially any that are primarily liquid nat gas or oil. Anyone that has capital expenditures they can slash will be doing it. Prices are now worse than the last time they collapsed back in 2014-2015. Back then I think we laid down all our rigs for 6 months. Who knows how long they might need to go quiet now? Airline activity won't return to what it was for years. People could be driving far less than they used to well into the foreseeable future.

                          Natural gas prices aren't quite as much a disaster but at under $2 an mcf there's not much money to be made there either. Coming off an extremely mild winter (at least around here) doesn't help. Heck, a lot of the E&P shale companies redirected their focus to oil/liquids after that 2015 slump because the margins were better. Now they're disastrous.

                          The truth is that the domestic oil/shale industry was experiencing a lot of problems well before covid-19 hit. This will be just the final straw for a lot of companies.

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                          • "The problem with quotes on the Internet is that it is sometimes hard to verify their authenticity." -Abraham Lincoln

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                            • Just a quick reminder -- the media narrative on VENTILLATORS!!!! proved woefully fucking wrong: https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/...utm_term=fifth

                              Also of note, the shamless -- I mean SHAMELESS NYT story on a "Trump Supporter" that died from Covid-19 that blames PDJT and "right-wing" media for his death without any regard for facts. The column: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/18/n...joe-joyce.html and why it's utter fucking garbage: https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/...-of-the-virus/

                              Last edited by iam416; April 20, 2020, 08:04 AM.
                              Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
                              Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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                              • I believe the good folks of Rhodesia have some sort of saying about this quandry. Can't think of it off the top of my head, though.
                                Dan Patrick: What was your reaction to [Urban Meyer being hired]?
                                Brady Hoke: You know.....not....good.

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