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  • An NRA survey (granted, from about 10 years ago) found that more than 50% of those identifying themselves as Democrats owned at least one firearm. Of those, 70% were dedicated hunting arms (shotguns, limited capacity long guns). 30% (of that roughly 50%) owned a hand gun. (No info on assault style rifles).

    I find it funny that for years the NRA (and many conservative leaning people) push the fallacy that Dems "want to take your guns!". These people take outliers (the Pelosi / Boxer types) and paint with a very wide brush. It's very much the Big Lie treatment, say it often enough and people believe it. Much like the Dems painting all Repubs as amoral, adulterous, pedophiles. People of all stripes need to get out of their echo chambers and open their eyes. Once one recognizes that world really isn't exactly what one's prejudices say it is, its only then that rational solutions to horrible problems can be formulated.

    No one is coming to get your guns. Armed evildoers are not hiding in your bushes waiting for unarmed citizens to emerge from their houses. The zombie apocalypse won't happen anytime soon. Mental health issues need to be addressed. Poverty induced sociopathic behavior needs to be addressed. The glorification of violence in 'entertainment' venues has an affect on young developing minds. The us vs them mentality of so-called adults needs to be throttled back.

    Gun violence is a multifaceted problem that doesn't fit into a one stop solution. And it will take open minds to come up with effective solutions. Bring people in with no skin in the game. Its like a chess match. Many times, those watching the match will see an obvious solution that is not apparent to the players.
    “Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.” - Groucho Marx

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    • a gun ban would do no good. confiscation would be a nightmare. Even if you ignore that probably 100,000,000 people own a total of more guns than people in the US, and if only 1% of them refused you would have 1,000,000 man army, trying to collect all the guns would be like trying to separate piss from the ocean. It's not going to happen.


      Doesn't mean the left won't try.




      and yeah, you can't use 10 year old numbers, the left has mostly disarmed.




      Also, the point of the second amendment isn't to hunt. I can't tell you the number of times entering a gun debate with a lefty and they start out by saying "I own a hunting rifle, and I respect the second amendment, BUT...". I really don't give a shit.
      Last edited by Kapture1; February 15, 2018, 03:43 PM.

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      • Well the government isn't trying to come and take your guns, so righties can shut the fuck up too.

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        • Nobody said anything about hunting. The question was do you own a firearm and what type of firearm. A tool is a tool.

          I don't know if I'd believe that chart without empirical evidence. I think that only 1/3 of households having a firearm is a bit low. If someone polled me about firearm ownership I would probably decline to answer, or cover my safes with bed sheets and claim to have none.
          “Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.” - Groucho Marx

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          • Yes ban guns...and while yer at it...ban forgery, theft, deception, racketeering, money laundering, counterfeiting, embezzlement, insider trading, fatty foods, cigarettes, alcohol, adultery, pornography and all episodes of George Lopez...
            Shut the fuck up Donny!

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            • GJ, what's your address? I'm not going to give it to anybody that wants to take your guns. Just curious.

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              • Originally posted by hack View Post
                GJ, what's your address? I'm not going to give it to anybody that wants to take your guns. Just curious.
                funny, you never hear any dems volunteer to be the ones going door to door.

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                • Originally posted by The Oracle View Post
                  Well the government isn't trying to come and take your guns, so righties can shut the fuck up too.
                  I actually read the assault weapons ban proposed by Feinstein in what? 2013? It classified all guns that 'could' accept more than 10 rounds as an assault weapon.

                  meaning everything except shotguns (without drum or mags) revolvers and hunting rifles.

                  It would ban the sale, import or transfer. Meaning within one generation, those guns would all be illegal to own (transfer meaning I can not pass it down to my kids).

                  I read the bill.

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                  • Originally posted by Ghengis Jon View Post
                    Nobody said anything about hunting. The question was do you own a firearm and what type of firearm. A tool is a tool.

                    I don't know if I'd believe that chart without empirical evidence. I think that only 1/3 of households having a firearm is a bit low. If someone polled me about firearm ownership I would probably decline to answer, or cover my safes with bed sheets and claim to have none.
                    Rgr.

                    Chart is shit.

                    Much like the corresponding idea that left has "de-toothed" themselves.

                    Left that owned guns still owns guns now. Ones that don't probably never will.

                    We're checking a lot of propaganda boxes today:
                    1. Dem/left males are empirically beta
                    2. FBI should have swooped in to stop shooter

                    It's like there is a running media faucet... IN THIS THREAD.

                    For the 4x:
                    1. No one in this thread is talking about taking away guns (as of yet)
                    2. It is pointless to keep pointing at the invisible left in a thread where no one is advocating for invisible left.

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                    • I'm talking about taking away guns, because that's what every other country has done, and no other country has this problem.

                      I'm talking about taking away YOUR guns, once Canada's Department of Integration and Freedoms Curtailing is fully staffed. You'd better form some fucking militias and regulate them well if you don't want to be a part of the 11th to 15th provinces.

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                      • lmao
                        Shut the fuck up Donny!

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                        • I'm talking about taking away guns

                          Good luck with that.
                          Shut the fuck up Donny!

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                          • Originally posted by hack View Post
                            I'm talking about taking away guns, because that's what every other country has done, and no other country has this problem.

                            I'm talking about taking away YOUR guns, once Canada's Department of Integration and Freedoms Curtailing is fully staffed. You'd better form some fucking militias and regulate them well if you don't want to be a part of the 11th to 15th provinces.
                            lololol

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                            • You want to see about 10,000 Ruby Ridges/Waco's happen in a short time...try to take guns from all law abiding citizens...lmao...heh...and all that jazz...
                              Shut the fuck up Donny!

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                              • Originally posted by THE_WIZARD_ View Post
                                You want to see about 10,000 Ruby Ridges/Waco's happen in a short time...try to take guns from all law abiding citizens...lmao...heh...and all that jazz...
                                As long as the ending is the same, fine by me.

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